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Posted on 3/1/23 at 2:37 pm to RileyTime
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Are you saying that more people get hurt hitting than pitching?
It doesn't matter if more people get hurt pitching or hitting. If Skenes starts hitting, he's in both categories.
The marginal value he provides (his value over the next best option) is far greater on the mound than it is at the plate.
The risk of injury batting compared to pitching is irrelevant as that's not the decision. It's the injury risk of batting vs the injury risk of not batting, which is to say, zero.
Is the injury risk of batting offset by the potential offensive output of a part time DH that would only bat on Sundays and midweek? I don't think it is.
If he batted more, it would increase his injury risk pitching and potentially decrease his effectiveness there. What type of offensive output would he need to reach to offset the decreased value on the mound? Probably more than he's capable. And he's capable of a lot.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 2:38 pm to ProjectP2294
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The risk of injury batting compared to pitching is irrelevant as that's not the decision. It's the injury risk of batting vs the injury risk of not batting, which is to say, zero.
I get what you're saying completely. However, I am obligated to offer you the peculiar case of 2022 Cade Beloso.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 2:39 pm to therick711
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However, I am obligated to offer you the peculiar case of 2022 Cade Beloso.
frick
Posted on 3/1/23 at 2:40 pm to ProjectP2294
Just keep him from hype circles before the game, and he should be good. 
Posted on 3/1/23 at 2:48 pm to MrWiseGuy
Imagine the outrage when a pitch runs in on his hands and he's forced to miss significant time or even the rest of season.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 2:50 pm to reauxl tigers
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Imagine the outrage when a pitch runs in on his hands and he's forced to miss significant time or even the rest of season.
Your No. 2 starter just got put on the shelf for 16 months 4 weeks ago pitching.
Injuries happen.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 2:51 pm to reauxl tigers
What's interesting to me is that Paul said on BR radio the day after he transferred that the staff told him he would have the opportunity to be a two-way player. Now, obviously, the thoughts of one or both sides (Skenes and the staff) could have changed since then, and for good reason. I'm wondering what might have done that for either or both.
Aug. 1 2022 at 11:30
Aug. 1 2022 at 11:30
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Posted on 3/1/23 at 2:52 pm to MrWiseGuy
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Your No. 2 starter just got put on the shelf for 16 months 4 weeks ago pitching.
Injuries happen.
Which pretty much directly lead to a reduction in the probability of Skenes batting.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 2:58 pm to MrWiseGuy
quote:So now we should risk our #1 starter also getting put on the shelf? Don't see the logic. Would be nice to see him hit, but doesn't make much sense.
Your No. 2 starter just got put on the shelf for 16 months 4 weeks ago pitching. Injuries happen.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 3:02 pm to reauxl tigers
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So now we should risk our #1 starter also getting put on the shelf? Don't see the logic. Would be nice to see him hit, but doesn't make much sense.
I take you to the OP ...
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players pitching and hitting is not this automatic sentencing to injury
To say so is ridiculous when several high caliber athletes like Paul Skenes have done so in the past and are currently doing so in the present
Jac Caglianone currently has a 1.600 OPS with 7 homers, 11 innnings pitched, a 2.38 ERA and 15 strikeouts.
This post was edited on 3/1/23 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 3/1/23 at 3:19 pm to MrWiseGuy
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Jac Caglianone currently has a 1.600 OPS with 7 homers, 11 innnings pitched, a 2.38 ERA and 15 strikeouts.
He's not their Friday guy.
And the marginal value he provides to Florida at the plate is greater than the marginal value Skenes would provide to LSU at the plate. Not saying he's necessarily a better hitter than Skenes (don't know that), but whoever would replace him at the plate is worse than who we have replacing Skenes at the plate.
Different team, different decision.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 3:21 pm to ProjectP2294
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He's not their Friday guy.
It was just an example that players can do it without getting hurt
If you want a Friday guy, look at the Louisville pitcher from a few years back
Posted on 3/1/23 at 3:24 pm to MrWiseGuy
Again - different teams, different situations. Maybe Skenes will get some ABs here and there if he wants to. But we absolutely do not need him in the lineup, so it's not worth even the slightest risk of jeopardizing his role as our ace.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 3:27 pm to MrWiseGuy
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It was just an example that players can do it without getting hurt
No shite. You seem to be ignoring everything I've said about risk/reward to attempt to rebut an argument I didn't make.
Nothing that any other player has done in the past or is doing this year matters as it pertains to Skenes. The decision on what Skenes does this year is based around what we're trying to do as a team and where he provides the most value toward that goal. The risks and rewards incorporated into that decision are not based on Florida's current roster or Louisville's roster when Brendan McKay was there. Or Todd Helton, Mark Kotsay, Tim Hudson, or Scooby fricking Morgan. Right now we're down a weekend pitcher and we have bats coming out the wazoo. We want to win a national championship and we need a healthy Paul Skenes pitching in order to do that. That's it.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 3:28 pm to MrWiseGuy
Did you watch last night? 14K's?
Posted on 3/1/23 at 3:30 pm to ProjectP2294
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We want to win a national championship and we need a healthy Paul Skenes pitching in order to do that.
Yep. Would be fun to watch but not worth the risk.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 3:30 pm to MrWiseGuy
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Jac Caglianone currently has a 1.600 OPS with 7 homers, 11 innnings pitched, a 2.38 ERA and 15 strikeouts.
He started half of Florida games last year in the line up because he couldn't pitch. He is their Sunday start but he is way more important to their line up than Skenes would be to LSU's line up. Florida doesn't have a Jones, Pearson, Kling, Frey, Travinski sitting on the bench to take Caglianone place in the line up.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 3:32 pm to TNTigerman
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Did you watch last night? 14K's?
Do you not know that Skenes has a 35% strikeout rate in WAC doubt he helps that number any
Posted on 3/1/23 at 3:36 pm to Beau0153
For some reason some people are having a hard time grasping this concept.
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