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re: Should T. Simon start at CB over T. Matheiu against Oregon?

Posted on 6/2/11 at 7:17 pm to
Posted by Tiger Authority
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 7:17 pm to
I certainly enjoy our young talent but I don't think we should always hope the next best thing is a guy that has never played a down before, particularly in the secondary.
Posted by 7thWardTiger
Richmond, Texas
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 7:26 pm to
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I certainly enjoy our young talent but I don't think we should always hope the next best thing is a guy that has never played a down before, particularly in the secondary.

Tell that to the Mettentards
Posted by Tiger Authority
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 7:40 pm to
quote:

I certainly enjoy our young talent but I don't think we should always hope the next best thing is a guy that has never played a down before, particularly in the secondary.



Tell that to the Mettentards


While I'm understanding of the fact that JJ isn't an all-world quarterback, I also realize that we went 11-2 with him in the SEC and he has experience. Some will give Lee credit for some of those wins and that's certainly true as well. My point is that JJ gives us a variation on offense to run the football, and next year, we are a running football team. Plain and simple. I certainly think Mett should see time over Lee, but I don't want Lee to transfer because that's really leaving us short on depth if he does.

I just don't think any coach (if people on the rant were realistic) would not put JJ out there against Oregon on the first snap. If we lose with JJ and it's his fault, start Mett and let him take the pains in his first year so we can make a run the next season. But JJ is the better option at this time.
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 9:23 pm to
TRex starts, but Simon comes in on third down. If Oregon goes to the hurry-up to limit our substitutions, then I see Simon at corner, and TRex at nickel. TRex was just created by God to destroy gimmick spreads like what Oregon runs.
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 11:43 pm to
I was happily surprised by the cover skills he showed in the spring game.
Posted by JKtiger4ever
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Posted on 6/3/11 at 1:41 am to
I agree with you 100% 7th, and much kudos on your research and football IQ. I've noticed ever since the Bama game that Simon is just an all around great defender (he did work on Julio), and I feel he can be our counter to all the tall WRs we'll face this year along with Mo C.

You can kinda compare it to 06. We had the defender/coverage guy in Chevis Jackson, and then we had the pick-6 machine/playmaker in Zenon.

I feel like Simon is a better defender, but T-Raw is just a bona fide playmaker. He gets the INTs and he makes the crushing hits that fire up the D
Posted by 7thWardTiger
Richmond, Texas
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/3/11 at 9:05 am to
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TRex starts, but Simon comes in on third down. If Oregon goes to the hurry-up to limit our substitutions, then I see Simon at corner, and TRex at nickel. TRex was just created by God to destroy gimmick spreads like what Oregon runs.


Oregon's entire offense is the hurry up FWIW.
Posted by 7thWardTiger
Richmond, Texas
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/3/11 at 9:07 am to
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I was happily surprised by the cover skills he showed in the spring game.

I wish i had some video editing software to put up his two outstanding plays in the spring game. Reaching around Randle to knock the ball out on a great pass by JJ and using his closing speed and long arms to deflect a pass in the endzone on a perfect bomb by Mett to Boone
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 6/3/11 at 10:37 am to
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the better corner should start...if that is Matheiu than he could always move inside in nickel and dime with Simon coming in.








This is the only answer. For whatever reason, people can't seem to wrap their head around the fact that Tyrann can actually start at corner AND play the nickel when we go to it. They also don't understand that the best CB in the world is not much--if any--taller than Tryann. I feel like if he is our best playmaker on defense, he should be on the field as much as possible.
Posted by MC123
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Posted on 6/3/11 at 10:48 am to
Prediction: Simon and Mathieu are both on the field for the first defensive down against Oregon.
Posted by shinerfan
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 6/3/11 at 11:24 am to
So are we gonna see T-Rex return any kicks this year? I've got this sneaking suspicion that at some point he'll prove to be a memorable return man.
Posted by bojabu
Member since Sep 2010
1275 posts
Posted on 6/3/11 at 11:31 am to
The ball won't get to their 6'5" reciever. He could be 24'5" and T-Rex would still not let him get anything. Being tall isn't nearly as important as being f*cking awesome. Not saying that to knock Simon, because he's going to be another rock solid DB for us. But until T-Rex stops singled handedly destroying teams, I say let him play.
This post was edited on 6/3/11 at 1:01 pm
Posted by Party At LSU
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Posted on 6/3/11 at 11:31 am to
Here's the deal:

It's not so much an issue of "who starts and who is the nickel back." We're going to be in nickel 75% of this game (maybe more) anyway. We're going to be in nickel the majority of this season. Mathieu and Simon are both basically starters, regardless.

The real issue is who plays outside opposite Claiborne and who is on the slot receiver. I think it's a pretty strong consensus that Tharold Simon should be the outside corner with Mathieu sticking to his slot duties.
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/3/11 at 11:48 am to
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If Oregon goes to the hurry-up to limit our substitutions, then I see Simon at corner, and TRex at nickel.


Huh? If they dont substitute after a play then we don't need to either. But it's not that hard to match their packages as they run em out.

It is a task and is not to be taken lightly. And that is how Oregon takes advantage of teams they play that HAVE LESSER TALENT than an AU or an LSU!

They will find it very difficult to catch us without 4 pure stud athletes on the field at all times at DB.....hell, it can't happen!
Posted by 7thWardTiger
Richmond, Texas
Member since Nov 2009
24670 posts
Posted on 6/3/11 at 11:56 am to
quote:

It's not so much an issue of "who starts and who is the nickel back." We're going to be in nickel 75% of this game (maybe more) anyway. We're going to be in nickel the majority of this season. Mathieu and Simon are both basically starters, regardless. The real issue is who plays outside opposite Claiborne and who is on the slot receiver. I think it's a pretty strong consensus that Tharold Simon should be the outside corner with Mathieu sticking to his slot duties.


Thie is more or less what i was getting at. I'm talking about starting true corner.

Oregon showed a lot of 2 TE sets in their spring, mainly because the lack of receiving threats(Huff was out for the spring with a knee injury)
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
13140 posts
Posted on 6/3/11 at 2:40 pm to
7thWARD, we will be in a lot of double tight end sets because that is where the talent is. Williams and Paulson are special and Lyerla is uber-special. Of course, Lyerla's uberness is raw but he's much like the freak: a total nightmare physicallly as an H-back.

I think some of you are looking at this the wrong way. I think you go with the CB that sheds blocks the best. LT is the best blocking WR from last year on an unit that is considered one of the best in blocking in the county. Matheiu might shed them better in the run game.
Posted by Hired Gun
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 6/3/11 at 3:02 pm to
your wr's better be ready to get on their hands and knees to try to block our cb's; ours go to their knees to avoid blocks and make the tackle.
Posted by 7thWardTiger
Richmond, Texas
Member since Nov 2009
24670 posts
Posted on 6/3/11 at 3:28 pm to
I mentioned earlier that you guys top returning receiver is a TE. You showed a lot of 2 tight in the spring, and some pro style passing(albeit < 10 yard down the field passing. TM is the better tackling corner. He's physical and has a nose fpr the ball.
Posted by bisonduck
Oregon City, OR
Member since Apr 2011
13140 posts
Posted on 6/3/11 at 3:28 pm to
CK's mantra for the WR corp, "you block or you don't get the rock." Again, LT was considered our best blocking WR from our corp and from the best block WR corp in the country.
Posted by 5Alive
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Member since Jul 2009
7799 posts
Posted on 6/5/11 at 8:36 pm to
Just talked to Tyrann, said he will be moving all over the field but he will not come off it. He will also be returning punts and possibly kickoffs.
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