- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: SEC Gymnastics Championship Rotations are Set!
Posted on 3/14/17 at 12:46 pm to Tigerbait357
Posted on 3/14/17 at 12:46 pm to Tigerbait357
quote:
I don't think we have the bar workers on this team to tally something higher then a 9.95.
Lexie has a twin sister right?
Maybe it's in their DNA. Call her up!
0
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:23 pm to Tigerbait357
quote:
Tigerbait357
KNOWS WHAT'S UP...listen and be mindful
Posted on 3/14/17 at 1:27 pm to DC4LSU
quote:
listen and be mindful
has anyone not been?
Posted on 3/14/17 at 2:43 pm to rmnldr
quote:
has anyone not been?
Just saying they know what they're talking about...don't read more into it than necessary
Posted on 3/14/17 at 2:57 pm to Tigerbait357
I think vault will only have one of Cannamela or Finnegan, not both. Cannamela has better amplitude and when she sticks she can get a better score than Finnegan, IMO. Finnegan has gorgeous form but the judges hit her for lack of height and distance and she tends to land in a squat. LSU needs to vault all the 10 SV vaults they are comfortable with. Priessman should be out. She is too injury prone and we will absolutely need her on bars at Nationals. I think Hambrick should do the 1 1/2 since it is on a podium but her full can certainly hit 9.9 which is all we need at SECs. My lineup would be:
Cannamela
Harrold/Kelley (whomever is vaulting best)
Ewing
Hambrick
Edney
Gnat
The more that I think about it the more I think Kelley needs to vault in competition again. If she can hit her vault then LSU could go into Nationals with a lineup of all 10.0 vaults. The only team in the country that would have that and it would give us the advantage over Oklahoma (assuming we can stick some of them) on vault that just might be enough to make up for what we lack on bars. LSU is also so good on vault that we can risk Kelley not vaulting her best because our other scores should be solid (if Kelley vaults and misses then Hambrick only does the full).
Oh, and Bama is absolutely in the mix to win this thing. They ALWAYS peak for post-season and they have the talent to beat anyone. LSU should win if they hit to their potential but even small mistakes would be enough for a hot Bama to take the lead. I actually expect Bama to beat Florida, I think Florida looks more rough now than they did earlier in the season.
I am not worried about Florida getting home scoring, not during a big meet like SECs. However, they will have the home crowd and momentum is a real thing. Their fans could spur them on to a better performance than they have been showing.
And if we don't stick a minimum of 3 bar dismounts then I have lost hope for a National title. At this point in the season this is a horrifying problem and Zamardi has not stuck a dismount in 2 years (wait, she stuck one) and as our lead off she sets the tone. Unfortunately, not a very good one.
Cannamela
Harrold/Kelley (whomever is vaulting best)
Ewing
Hambrick
Edney
Gnat
The more that I think about it the more I think Kelley needs to vault in competition again. If she can hit her vault then LSU could go into Nationals with a lineup of all 10.0 vaults. The only team in the country that would have that and it would give us the advantage over Oklahoma (assuming we can stick some of them) on vault that just might be enough to make up for what we lack on bars. LSU is also so good on vault that we can risk Kelley not vaulting her best because our other scores should be solid (if Kelley vaults and misses then Hambrick only does the full).
Oh, and Bama is absolutely in the mix to win this thing. They ALWAYS peak for post-season and they have the talent to beat anyone. LSU should win if they hit to their potential but even small mistakes would be enough for a hot Bama to take the lead. I actually expect Bama to beat Florida, I think Florida looks more rough now than they did earlier in the season.
I am not worried about Florida getting home scoring, not during a big meet like SECs. However, they will have the home crowd and momentum is a real thing. Their fans could spur them on to a better performance than they have been showing.
And if we don't stick a minimum of 3 bar dismounts then I have lost hope for a National title. At this point in the season this is a horrifying problem and Zamardi has not stuck a dismount in 2 years (wait, she stuck one) and as our lead off she sets the tone. Unfortunately, not a very good one.
This post was edited on 3/14/17 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 3/14/17 at 3:18 pm to BigB0882
What about Kelley's new vault? It didn't look that good at the last meet. Did they try changing it up because of her shoulder injuries? I'd like Ruby on vault, personally.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 4:20 pm to rmnldr
The vault itself looked great, she just didn't get the landing. It looks like a vault that has plenty of power and lots of time for her to spot the landing. If she had not had that fluke injury earlier in the season she would have had the reps she needed to land it with the adrenaline of competition. I'd like to see her try again. Regionals might be a good place to do it, LSU can easily advance to Nationals even if we have to count a 9.8 vault.
And they changed up her vault from what she was competing as a Level 10 or Elite, whatever she was, but this is the vault she has been training for this year. It wasn't changed after her injury or because of the injury. (Edit: I realize you said shoulder injury. I am not sure but if she has had shoulder problems then I could see the yurchenko style causing pain because she has to throw those arms back to the table and that could hurt the shoulders.
She was vaulting a Yurchenko full at 2013 JO Nationals so I assume until she came to LSU that it was the only type of vault she knew, which is true for the vast majority of gymnasts these days.
And they changed up her vault from what she was competing as a Level 10 or Elite, whatever she was, but this is the vault she has been training for this year. It wasn't changed after her injury or because of the injury. (Edit: I realize you said shoulder injury. I am not sure but if she has had shoulder problems then I could see the yurchenko style causing pain because she has to throw those arms back to the table and that could hurt the shoulders.
She was vaulting a Yurchenko full at 2013 JO Nationals so I assume until she came to LSU that it was the only type of vault she knew, which is true for the vast majority of gymnasts these days.
This post was edited on 3/14/17 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 3/14/17 at 5:05 pm to BigB0882
I appreciate this quality gymnastics conversation. I will say that both the beam and floor lineups will be interesting as well. I just hope Ewing does not start have the OOB issues, she had towards the end of that season.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 5:25 pm to BigB0882
Cannamela has probably one of the best looking yurchenko fulls in the country, its absolutely beautiful. Her height and distance is very good, if she can get a stick, she will at minimum get a 9.90.
Kelley is not going to be used in the vault lineup this late, its way too risky. She has only competed that vault one time, I have seen her in practice and it has improved. Her landings is whats inconsistent, I have seen her stick it cold but also have seen some really bad landings. I just think its too much of a risk. Finnegan got a 9.90 in supers last year. Her form is just really clean. Her lack of distance from the table is what I don't like. I still think the last couple of options with Finnegan or Priessman or Harrold will be our best options but I feel like if Harrold really was in consideration, she would have seen some more vaulting opportunities.
I have watched Alabama all season, they have a lot of issues. Issues you would expect on opening night but they are still seeing. I will say since its post season, anything can happen but they have showed zero consistency and growth. Florida probably one of the most talented teams in the country. Florida had a rocky meet against up but they have the pieces to put up some dangerous scores. Even LSU winning isnt a sure thing. I have seen teams dominate all season just to land on their arse on vault, fall off beam, and miss catching the bar.
Kelley is not going to be used in the vault lineup this late, its way too risky. She has only competed that vault one time, I have seen her in practice and it has improved. Her landings is whats inconsistent, I have seen her stick it cold but also have seen some really bad landings. I just think its too much of a risk. Finnegan got a 9.90 in supers last year. Her form is just really clean. Her lack of distance from the table is what I don't like. I still think the last couple of options with Finnegan or Priessman or Harrold will be our best options but I feel like if Harrold really was in consideration, she would have seen some more vaulting opportunities.
quote:
Bama is absolutely in the mix to win this thing. They ALWAYS peak for post-season and they have the talent to beat anyone. LSU should win if they hit to their potential but even small mistakes would be enough for a hot Bama to take the lead. I actually expect Bama to beat Florida, I think Florida looks more rough now than they did earlier in the season.
I have watched Alabama all season, they have a lot of issues. Issues you would expect on opening night but they are still seeing. I will say since its post season, anything can happen but they have showed zero consistency and growth. Florida probably one of the most talented teams in the country. Florida had a rocky meet against up but they have the pieces to put up some dangerous scores. Even LSU winning isnt a sure thing. I have seen teams dominate all season just to land on their arse on vault, fall off beam, and miss catching the bar.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 5:30 pm to BigB0882
I still think if Lexi is good to go she will be competing her 1 and 1/2. Lexi always has been a very powerful gymnast. She actually used to compete the amanar (2 1/2 twists)
All though all of her scores have been high 9.8 but at this point I know the staff wants as many 10.0 vaults as possible.
All though all of her scores have been high 9.8 but at this point I know the staff wants as many 10.0 vaults as possible.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 5:35 pm to BigB0882
quote:
And if we don't stick a minimum of 3 bar dismounts then I have lost hope for a National title. At this point in the season this is a horrifying problem and Zamardi has not stuck a dismount in 2 years (wait, she stuck one) and as our lead off she sets the tone. Unfortunately, not a very good one.
What? Wow. Way to give up. We weren't sticking anything on vault last year in post season than in super six we stuck everything, nothing matters except for meet day at super six. Zamardi has always been inconsistent on the dismount. I mentioned last year about changing it but I guess the staff didnt want to for some reason. If Zamardi can start us off with a 9.85 then I will be happy, thats actually a really solid lead off score. Finnegan and Priessman with hit routines should get 9.900 scores, same with Edney. we are ranked number 3 in the country on bars, we aren't as bad as what people think we are. We hit our hand stands pretty good, the form is good. I think we will be fine.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 6:56 pm to Tigerbait357
Thinking about future lineups, Li competed AA at PSU, scoring 9.8+ on bars and had a Y 1.5... is she training AA now?
Posted on 3/14/17 at 7:26 pm to BunnieGene
quote:
Thinking about future lineups, Li competed AA at PSU, scoring 9.8+ on bars and had a Y 1.5... is she training AA now?
Lauren Li I think is probably one of the most underrated gymnasts on this team. I don't think she is training AA. She definitely is capable on Vault and Beam. Not sure she is a tumbler though.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 7:33 pm to Tigerbait357
We really need this kind of discussion more often on here. 
Really enjoying the insight
Really enjoying the insight
Posted on 3/14/17 at 7:47 pm to Tigerbait357
quote:
What? Wow. Way to give up. We weren't sticking anything on vault last year in post season than in super six we stuck everything, nothing matters except for meet day at super six. Zamardi has always been inconsistent on the dismount. I mentioned last year about changing it but I guess the staff didnt want to for some reason. If Zamardi can start us off with a 9.85 then I will be happy, thats actually a really solid lead off score. Finnegan and Priessman with hit routines should get 9.900 scores, same with Edney. we are ranked number 3 in the country on bars, we aren't as bad as what people think we are. We hit our hand stands pretty good, the form is good. I think we will be fine.
I am not giving up. I am just trying to make a point. Look at where we stand in relation to our biggest competitor, Oklahoma. We are better than them on vault. We can compete with them on beam depending on who has the better day. I think we have more potential on floor but put out more risk. The one glaring area where we will absolutely lose to Oklahoma, assuming they have a normal day, is bars. And depending on whether or not we can stick dismounts, we could lose to them on bars by 3 tenths or more. We can NOT dig a hole like that. Anyone who disagrees has not followed LSU gymnastics for very long. You only have to look back to last year to see how LSU dug a hole right from their first rotation on bars. It took an incredible comeback to sneak 2nd place away from Bama. We won 2nd place but were really never in contention for first place unless Oklahoma made a major mistake and that is ALL because of bars. You don't have to like it but it is true. We are #3 in the country on bars because everything is there except the dismounts. NCAA judges will not go into that 9.9 range for LSU at Nationals if you have a hop. They just won't do it. Oklahoma goes 9.9 for just showing up. It sucks but it is the way it is. LSU has to go out and kill it to win, the judges aren't itching for a new team to win. It isn't how it works in NCAA.
I am just saying that LSU has to start showing they can stick bar dismounts. They have been talking about it for WEEKS and it has not materialized. One stick from Zamardi. Zero sticks from Harrold. Hambrick, Edney, Finnegan are the only ones who can stick but they seem to like taking turns. Priessman almost always has the small hop but it is very small and I will take it on most nights. We started the season out nailing bar dismounts. Something has to have happened. I am hoping Clark has just been pacing them to focus on other areas and will bring them back to dismounts but according to everything we have heard, they have been stressing sticks for weeks now so why no results? They could always stick 6 for 6 when it counts most but that's asking for a lot. The team who is consistently sticking 3-4 bar dismounts every week is much more likely to do that again when it counts.
I am iffy on Priessman on vault because I don't want to risk further injury and losing her on bars and she hasn't vaulted enough to master the 1.5 I know she used to do the Amanar but her form is not great and she hasn't really come close to a stick if I am remembering correctly. Harrold has stuck 2 vaults cold so I know she can do it. Kelley is a risk but I say let her vault at Regionals where LSU has some last minute room to experiment.
This post was edited on 3/14/17 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 3/14/17 at 7:52 pm to BigB0882
quote:
the judges aren't itching for a new team to win. It isn't how it works in NCAA
Can you elaborate on this?
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:01 pm to rmnldr
Just watch how they score Oklahoma on FX. They have gymnasts opening floor with double pikes. Fine landings and good form but they go 9.9 from the first gymnast with no E pass. LSU, or other teams, can put out E passes from the first gymnast to the last with good form and good landings and they will start with the obligatory 9.85 Only 4 teams had ever won a National title for years and years until Florida finally broke through. I think it took Oklahoma a few years to break through, as well. I can't explain WHY, I can just tell you to watch for the obvious signs. With LSU finishing 2nd last year, this is their best shot, though. The judges might look favorably on them this go round.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:09 pm to BigB0882
The Oklahoma scores last year for floor looked very inflated to me. Does that fit in to what you're saying?
Does the NCAA care enough to fix it?
Does the NCAA care enough to fix it?
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:12 pm to rmnldr
They were extremely inflated. Oklahoma went into floor and it was basically a coronation rotation instead of them having to win the title. They had even less difficulty than they do this year and they were scoring higher than LSU who had, by far, the most in the entire meet and competed clean. The code doesn't help, it is too easy for these girls to get to a 10 but the judges aren't doing their job, either. They start too high and by the end of the meet it is like every girl who stays on their feet gets a 9.9 or better. LSU had an immaculate vault rotation but it didn't set them apart nearly enough from the other teams because by that time everyone was scoring high but LSU was the team doing the best gymnastics in that final rotation.
Posted on 3/14/17 at 8:17 pm to BigB0882
quote:
ust watch how they score Oklahoma on FX. They have gymnasts opening floor with double pikes. Fine landings and good form but they go 9.9 from the first gymnast with no E pass. LSU, or other teams, can put out E passes from the first gymnast to the last with good form and good landings and they will start with the obligatory 9.85
I think we all agree here, I remember last year at super six they were getting ridiculous score. I wish the NCAA would start rewarding more due to more difficulty. Its so easy now for everyone to get a 10.0 start value. We have gymnasts that go above and beyond the difficulty required and we still don't get rewarded. LSU under DD has always been known to go for difficulty, for better or for worse. What I do enjoy about the elite level is that they score difficulty and execution completely differently. You earn your score based off both aspects of execution and difficult skills. In the NCAA we have walk ons at schools getting better or just as good scores as world medalists on certain events, its crazy tbh. NCAA scoring literally put 95% of everyone on the same level. I am not saying the NCAA should do what elites do but they need to start rewarding more for difficulty. Its ashame that we take a lot more risks than everyone else. We have a small error and we get the same score as watered down routines.
This post was edited on 3/14/17 at 8:18 pm
Page 2 of 3
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News