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re: Saw this on Dandy Don's website. Do you agree?

Posted on 5/13/10 at 12:44 pm to
Posted by dos crystal
Georgia
Member since Aug 2008
4888 posts
Posted on 5/13/10 at 12:44 pm to
i can help out here, four losses equal replacement. (regular season)
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 5/13/10 at 12:44 pm to
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1. Bama having to replace so many on defense, and playing a tough schedule including LSU on the road. But don't put it past Saban to be back strong...but I still think 9-3 or 10-2 is what to expect.

If our being "back" depends on anything to do with Alabama or any other team besides LSU, we're in trouble.
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2. The development and exciting play of 5 potential playmakers on defense: Peterson, Shephard, Loston, Nevis, and Montgomery

When have we seen this? Peterson yes, Sheppard yes. Maybe Nevis. The others haven't demonstrated this.
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3. The speed and coaching on defense; and imporved play up front.

Improved play up front based on what? We're small and thin. The only positive is a little bit of speed off the ends. Improved coaching based on what? Last year's defense was terrible in clutch situations, and only looks good when compared to Crowton's offense and Malveto's defense of 2008.
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5. A big, strong, talented, and deep offensive line playing with a chip on their shoulders after a poor showing as a unit last year. I think Hebert needs to go, and is not a person committed to LSU. The size up front could be the biggest overall size the LSU line has had ever.

And this time last year we heard from Les Miles himself that the OL could be the best we've ever had. A mostly new offensive line almost never excels. At best, they muddle through and give an adequate performance. Offensive lines take time playing together to gel. Also, there is no reason to be confident in any unit coached by Studrawa.
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6. Running the ball with authority and the immergence of Michael Ford from Leesville; and/or Spencer Ware. Les Miles will be totally sold out towards the run.

The offensive line and the ability of the QB to force teams to respect the pass will make a big difference here. Last year we had Scott, Williams, et al, and it didn't help. As for Miles being "totally sold out towards the run", is being that stubbornly one-dimensional a good thing?
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8. The addition of Billy Gonzalez working with Jordan Jefferson

A wide receiver coach/passing game coordinator whose last job was coaching in an option offense is suddenly going to fix Jordan Jefferson's or Jarrett Lee's mountain of problems?
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9. Miles knows that his job is on the line,

So, Miles wasn't motivated to call time out against Ole Miss? The element lacking in Les Miles isn't motivation. It's something else. Besides, motivation is supposed to be a player issue. Aren't coaches supposed to be mature and professional enough to give their best effort every time? We have to motivate our coach? And $4 million won't do it (or at least hasn't the last two years)? That's ridiculous.
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The TAF will NOT stand for another 8-4 8-5 season with top 8 recruiting classes the past three seasons including the No.1 class in 2009

If two didn't do it, what's so magical about three?
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If LSU is going to have any hopes of winning the West it will be this year because of Alabama being down

Again, if our success depends on Alabama being down, we are in trouble. Whether we succeed should be, and used to be, about US, not some other team in the division. Why must we hope they are down to have a chance? Other teams used to have to hope WE were down to have a chance.
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I think the LSU-Arkansas could actually mean something at the end of the season.

Yes, it could mean the difference between a Cotton or Peach Bowl bid and a Music City Bowl bid, for us anyway.
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10. Jordan Jefferson, "finally getting it."

What indicates this has happened or will happen?
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If JJ falters early in the GA. Dome look for Jarrett Lee

What indicates he will be any better than he has been for the last two years?
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against what could turn out to be the best defense LSU will play.

No. Alabama will have a better defense than North Carolina. Probably at least a couple of other SEC teams will, too.
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12139 posts
Posted on 5/13/10 at 1:12 pm to
You realize you're responding to someone who sent an email to Dandy Don?

Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 5/13/10 at 1:16 pm to
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1) a defense usually improves from year one to year two under a new D.C.. See pelini at nebraska, saban here and bama, muschamp at texas, ect.

That depends more on the coordinator than on what year it is.
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then i feel very good about a stronger pass rush in third or second and long.

But you have to stop the run to create long yardage situations on second and third down.
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3)we will have one of the top secondaries in the conference if not the country.

It was good last year, too.
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4)a bigger, stronger, more talented offensive line. this helps control the ball, the clock, and passing game.

They show no indication of being better at pass blocking. They are not experienced playing together as a unit. They are still coached by Studrawa. Hearing all this hype about our OL is just the same song we heard from Miles last year, just a different verse.
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the defense doesn't have an idea if we go wide or not.

The defense has an idea what we're doing every play. Hell, half the stadium knows what we're doing most plays.
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7)Bill G. influence on the offense and his use of R. Shepard. I like seeing Shepard in the wildcat, rb, and slot during the spring. keeps the defense on their heals as to where he may line up and what defense they should line up in.

They should line up the same as always. Stop the run and don't worry about the pass or whoever is at WR. We don't have a QB who can get the ball to them anyway.
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j.j. showed me something in the cap one bowl. when he lined up, read the defense, changed the play to a slant for b.l. and hit him for a t.d., I saw progress.

When he threw the inside screen to a receiver who had little chance break it for a 1st down and let the clock run out, I saw no progress. Against Ole Miss, when he refused to step into the pocket, then rolled right into the pass rusher's path, then held the ball too long to avoid the sack, knocking us out of FG range in the final minute when we were down by two, I saw no progress. That was the 11th game of the season. The Capital One Bowl was the 13th. A whole season and no progress.
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10)Florida and bama doesn't have anywhere to go but down. Florida lost tebow, charlie strong, and a ton on defense. Bama lost a ton on defense. i don't see them as strong, although they will be good. With that said, we were in it to win it with them last year.

We were nowhere close to beating Florida last year, and we lost the west to Alabama by three games plus a tie breaker. We lost as many games by ourselves last year as they have lost combined in the last two years combined. We weren't in anything to win anything. And again, if we're now a program that has to hope for other teams to have a down year to have a chance, then we're not only not "back", but not coming back, either.
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overall i see lsu as a more talented team this year than last.

Lack of talent hasn't been a problem at LSU since the early 2000s. We show no ability to use talent these days.
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i like the fact they are under the radar.

From where came this myth that LSU does well as an underdog under Les Miles?
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they are one of very few teams that does not have to learn a new offense or defense

We'd be better off if we were learning new ones, especially offense.
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For their struggles last year, they were two plays away from winning 11 games.

That's a BS argument. First of all, they were two MIRACLE plays from it, but also, they were just as few plays away from losing six games. Four losses was probably an accurate indicator of our team's quality last year.
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Just a little improvement can result in big rewards.

Unfortunately, the area where that improvement is needed is not improved. We still have Miles and Crowton, we still have Studrawa, we still have Jefferson.
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They do have a tougher schedule, therefore, they can be improved, a better ball team, yet their record could be the same.

Possibly, but the likelihood of being better is low, and the record will likely not be the same.
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i see 9 to 10 wins this year.

Lots of people see things that don't exist. Many times, it's because they only see what they want to see. Compare your assessment of this team right now to your assessment of any other team we've had since 2001 at the same point in the offseason. Do you feel better than you did about ANY of those teams, much less most or all of them?
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 5/13/10 at 1:22 pm to
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You realize you're responding to someone who sent an email to Dandy Don?


Yes. The OP asked if we agree.
Posted by dos crystal
Georgia
Member since Aug 2008
4888 posts
Posted on 5/13/10 at 1:25 pm to
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then i feel very good about a stronger pass rush in third or second and long.



But you have to stop the run to create long yardage situations on second and third down


of course you left the "if the answer to the question is yes then" out.

you don't want to have a reasonable discussion. you just have a "want" to be a dick. I wont respond the rest.
This post was edited on 5/14/10 at 1:08 pm
Posted by BigDaddy45
Member since Oct 2007
115 posts
Posted on 5/13/10 at 1:25 pm to
He said Bama, not Saban's other teams.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 5/13/10 at 1:29 pm to
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im not sure what will happen if we win 8 games...im just sharing what i was told

If he has any possibility of keeping his job with only an 8-5 record this year, then we have apparently decided to stop being an elite program.
Posted by Billy Ray Valentine
Duke & Duke
Member since Sep 2007
1553 posts
Posted on 5/13/10 at 4:51 pm to
This is a perfect example of what I think is the number one difference with positigers & negatigers (how they communicate).
Positigers rarely expand on their opinion with a specific explanation. Actually, they rarely even try to. Often it's just, "you're a douche" "you're no fan" "Miles is smarter than you" "53 wins" etc.
On the other hand, I often see "negatigers" explain in detail the reasons for their opinions (most of the time only to have a sunshine pumper come along and tell him, "you're a dick" etc.).

Regardless of whether you agree with Nuts, he lays it out there & backs it up with pretty specific reasoning.

If you have an opinion at least be able to explain how you came to that opinion.
Sometimes it's like arguing with a woman or a democrat.
"frick reasoning, I feel this way b/c, damn it, I just do. And you're stupid."
Posted by Flyin Tighas
FWB in the 850
Member since Sep 2009
1780 posts
Posted on 5/14/10 at 10:04 am to
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This in turn will help JJ, which will in turn open it up for the 3


For JJ its not just taking a 12 step drop followed by a sack, its that he can't hit the broad side of a barn....

Sorry but his intermediate and long passing is very inaccurate.

Also even on screens he doen't place the ball in a position such that the runner can catch it in stride.....

Terrible...
Posted by ccomeaux
LA
Member since Jan 2010
8184 posts
Posted on 5/14/10 at 12:46 pm to
T Bob's drunk driving arrest just granted you that wish.
Posted by dos crystal
Georgia
Member since Aug 2008
4888 posts
Posted on 5/14/10 at 1:07 pm to
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Positigers rarely expand on their opinion with a specific explanation. Actually, they rarely even try to. Often it's just, "you're a douche" "you're no fan" "Miles is smarter than you" "53 wins" etc.


did you not read my ORIGINALpost on the first page? i laid out 10 SPECIFIC reasons in DETAIL.

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On the other hand, I often see "negatigers" explain in detail the reasons for their opinions (most of the time only to have a sunshine pumper come along and tell him, "you're a dick" etc.).


really, what he did was edit/use half quotes to slant his response. how is taking a 1/2 or 1/3 of someone elses sentence
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lays it out there & backs it up with pretty specific reasoning.
?

if he wanted to have a reasonable discussion, i'd be happy to debate him. Just like i'm responding to you in a "detailed" explanation. however, that isn't what he did or wanted to do. he is more interested in trying piss people off using borderline lies to slant the truth.

why would i want to even discuss something with someone who is displaying dishonest habits? he didn't deserve a response and i've ignored him in the past. he knew what he did and what my response was, why you think he didn't respond?

he wanted to act immature, i gave him an immature response. he's just not the type of person i want to talk to. it has nothing to do about disagreement. i've debated many on here.

i pointed all this out in my post. his reply with my response. (stating he left out 1/2 the sentence.) it wasn't just that one sentence, just about every one. did you not read it? i think the black and white path leads to the truth.


This post was edited on 5/14/10 at 1:31 pm
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 5/14/10 at 1:13 pm to
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Sorry but his intermediate and long passing is very inaccurate.


what exactly do you consider "intermediate"...because within 10 to 20 yards he's actually pretty accurate.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 5/14/10 at 1:15 pm to
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Positigers rarely expand on their opinion with a specific explanation. Actually, they rarely even try to. Often it's just, "you're a douche" "you're no fan" "Miles is smarter than you" "53 wins" etc.


I know you're not referring to me

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Regardless of whether you agree with Nuts, he lays it out there & backs it up with pretty specific reasoning.


I can be specific about alot crap....doesn't mean i would be right. Why don't you look up some of Nuts posts from around 2007....you may be shocked at what you find.
This post was edited on 5/14/10 at 1:18 pm
Posted by dos crystal
Georgia
Member since Aug 2008
4888 posts
Posted on 5/14/10 at 1:21 pm to
he's referring to me. i've responded above.
Posted by ItNeverRains
Offugeaux
Member since Oct 2007
28166 posts
Posted on 5/14/10 at 1:24 pm to
Whatever flavor kool aid DD is sippin these days, I want in.
Posted by XbengalTiger
New Bama Standard 9-4
Member since Oct 2003
5572 posts
Posted on 5/14/10 at 1:31 pm to
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Ha, development, we'll see
So you don't think any of the coaches at LSU on either side of the ball can develop talent? You don't think any of the position coaches know how to teach technique or even know what proper technique is for their given position responsibilities? You think all of LSU's coaches are clueless boobs that don't know a thing about football but have high paying jobs in the top conference in college football?
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