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re: Reality of Miles tenure at LSU
Posted on 9/9/16 at 11:21 am to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 9/9/16 at 11:21 am to Rickdaddy4188
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This myth that saban didnt have talent in his 1st 3 year is utter bullshite.
I agree...Dinardo was actually turned the corner on talent. However, he may have been as bad at developing that talent and game tactics as Miles.
All the horseshite about Miles being a great coach is just that. His play not to lose strategies have proven successful in winning games that LSU should win going away, but utterly useless against talented teams with competent coaches.
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Posted on 9/9/16 at 11:22 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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So saban won with Dinardo's talent?
No doubt about it!
Posted on 9/9/16 at 11:22 am to Dallasgrowl
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All the horseshite about Miles being a great coach is just that.
Miles has been a great HC. It is not even remotely close to being "horseshite">
Posted on 9/9/16 at 11:24 am to Salmon
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Miles has been a great HC. It is not even remotely close to being "horseshite">
It is complete horseshite. Go bury your head somewhere else.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 11:26 am to Dallasgrowl
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It is complete horseshite.
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Go bury your head somewhere else.
What does this even mean?
How does one acknowledging the absolute fact that Miles has been a great HC during his career here mean I am "burying my head"?
If anyone is burying their head, it is you by denying his success
again for the billionth time, a person can give credit to Miles for his success and still believe that his time has come
This post was edited on 9/9/16 at 11:28 am
Posted on 9/9/16 at 11:28 am to Salmon
Some folks in this thread sound like a wife who has gone 8 years having sex about 10 times per year with her husband and when he complains about it, she says, "but in our first 3 years, we had sex 250 times per year........and there was that crazy year a few years ago when we had sex 150 times............you're averaging 97 sexual interactions per year! That's AWESOME. What are you bitching about"!!!!!
He says, but damn, in the last 3 it's been 10 then 8 then 6 and it's looking the same this year.
"BUT YOU'VE AVERAGED 97 times!!!" Be happy!
He says, but damn, in the last 3 it's been 10 then 8 then 6 and it's looking the same this year.
"BUT YOU'VE AVERAGED 97 times!!!" Be happy!
Posted on 9/9/16 at 11:28 am to Salmon
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Miles has been a great HC. It is not even remotely close to being "horseshite">
The only real constant in Miles tenure is that his teams usually get outplayed and outcoached against lesser competition. But that happens sometimes to every team. The real eye opener the last few years has been how bad the defeats were. Every team in the west has beaten LSU by 14+ the last couple of years with the exception of A&M and MSU, and MSU was there until we scored late against their second string. Les Miles has had the benefit of some really good defensive coordinators and an insane amount of talent. Miles is actually a middle of the road coach RIGHT NOW. Whatever he had that made him special has been long gone.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 11:31 am to Salmon
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Miles has been a great HC during his career
Define great.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 11:31 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
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The only real constant in Miles tenure is that his teams usually get outplayed and outcoached against lesser competition
if this were true, his record would reflect that
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Miles is actually a middle of the road coach RIGHT NOW. Whatever he had that made him special has been long gone.
no one is arguing against that
I just have no idea why it is so hard for some on this board to give him credit for his success that he has had
there is a constant need to discredit Miles on this board and I just don't get it
Posted on 9/9/16 at 11:32 am to YouAre8Up
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Define great.
longevity, winning %, titles, etc
Posted on 9/9/16 at 11:32 am to Salmon
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longevity, winning %, titles, etc
Do you consider Mac Brown a great coach?
Posted on 9/9/16 at 11:34 am to YouAre8Up
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Do you consider Mac Brown a great coach?
Yes, he was.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 11:38 am to Oddibe
quote:Twas the basis of discussion.
The only time Miles and Saban should be compared is head-to-head on the field.
quote:His worst SEC year came in '08.
Then was much better, now not so much.
LSU has had one worse and one better SEC season than Saban in the back half of his career.
He produced only the 4th perfect SEC season at LSU in the back half also. 1st since 1970 IIRC.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 11:38 am to Geauxgurt
Miles fell into heaven when he got the job at LSU- especially after his record at Ok St which was Not impressive at all. players win in spite of his incompetence!
Posted on 9/9/16 at 11:39 am to Salmon
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if this were true, his record would reflect that
Not necessarily. He's pulled a lot of rabbits out of his hat. Like I said, all teams struggle sometimes against lesser competition. But when we struggle most of the time we eeked out a W. His record could be a lot worse than it is if he hadn't gotten some fortunate bounces. And yes, he's had defenses that have kept him in a lot of games and he's had time where the offense carried the weight (though not often or recently). I'll give him credit for winning those games. But its obvious how he has too recruiting classes year after year, one of the highest paid coaching staffs in CFB and we have finished 5th and 4th in the west. If this were 2012 and people were complaining this much (and some were) I could understand where you're coming from. I was there. I think I was one of the first ones to start calling people negatigers. But its time. People aren't trying to bury him, they appreciate what he's done in sure. They are just trying to make things easier for getting rid of him in their mind, even though the recent play has done that for them.
This post was edited on 9/9/16 at 11:41 am
Posted on 9/9/16 at 11:40 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
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People aren't trying to bury him, they appreciate what he's done in sure.
I'm not seeing it
Posted on 9/9/16 at 11:42 am to Rickdaddy4188
Jesus christ rick
Posted on 9/9/16 at 11:43 am to Salmon
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Yes, he was.
Just wanted your definition of great. I think that Saban is a great coach (maybe one in a lifetime coach)and both Miles and Brown were/are good coaches.
I don't think that people here are not appreciating what Miles had done in the past for LSU, but as of the past few years Miles and his style of coaching especially in the SEC has hit his ceiling.
At some point it's time for a change for the good of both LSU and Miles.
With any job even outside of coaching it's always what have you done lately no matter what your past history or record is. It's just the reality of a cycle. Ask Bobby Bowden.
Posted on 9/9/16 at 11:44 am to YouAre8Up
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I think that Saban is a great coach (maybe one in a lifetime coach)and both Miles and Brown were/are good coaches.
Saban is the greatest.
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At some point it's time for a change for the good of both LSU and Miles.
is anyone arguing against this anymore?
Posted on 9/9/16 at 11:46 am to gondwanaland
Miles career at LSU is a testament to the reality that in college football, at least 80% of your success happens on National Signing day.
What separates the men from the boys after that is still coaching. But, the reality is, unless you are completely incompetent, if you kill it on NSD, you're going to win better than 60% of your games as HC even if you don't actually go TO the games yourself.
Great coaches who can't recruit, fail. Period. However, great recruiters who are middling coaches can have decent careers.
Great recruiters who are good coaches will occasionally dominate.
Great recruiters who are great coaches are nearly unbeatable.
The reality is, Miles is(was) a great recruiter. Unfortunately, it's become pretty apparent that he has a tendency to under-perform his recruiting classes.
And THAT reality is what always ends up getting middling coaches. EVENTUALLY, the life blood.......the overwhelming recruiting will get em.
Miles has been getting highly rated classes still.......but, QBs treat him like a pariah. And, he's had OBVIOUS holes in his recruiting elsewhere. He's loading up on stars, but 5 star "athletes" can't play offensive Tackle.
And so, here we are. A middling coach who can no longer overwhelm people with physical superiority.
What separates the men from the boys after that is still coaching. But, the reality is, unless you are completely incompetent, if you kill it on NSD, you're going to win better than 60% of your games as HC even if you don't actually go TO the games yourself.
Great coaches who can't recruit, fail. Period. However, great recruiters who are middling coaches can have decent careers.
Great recruiters who are good coaches will occasionally dominate.
Great recruiters who are great coaches are nearly unbeatable.
The reality is, Miles is(was) a great recruiter. Unfortunately, it's become pretty apparent that he has a tendency to under-perform his recruiting classes.
And THAT reality is what always ends up getting middling coaches. EVENTUALLY, the life blood.......the overwhelming recruiting will get em.
Miles has been getting highly rated classes still.......but, QBs treat him like a pariah. And, he's had OBVIOUS holes in his recruiting elsewhere. He's loading up on stars, but 5 star "athletes" can't play offensive Tackle.
And so, here we are. A middling coach who can no longer overwhelm people with physical superiority.
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