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re: rant myths
Posted on 12/17/09 at 4:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/17/09 at 4:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
Crowton still sucks!!! 
:rimshot: 
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Posted on 12/17/09 at 9:56 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:how about you post something substantive about my op?
You should give up.
Posted on 12/17/09 at 10:07 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:this is exactly what i'm pointing out. you think you know what the problems are but you really don't. you have no idea what, if any, extenuating circumstances exist. you reduce the monumental complexity of a team's entire season down to one factor and ignore all the rest. that was the point of the op.
Crowton should be shoved out.
quote:you have no idea what you're talking about but act like i'm being unreasonable. what substantiation do you have?
Miles wanted them to get paid, and get paid for FAILING
quote:highly, highly debateable. the "fans" on the rant THINK they know what they see. they're not in practice. they're not in meetings. they're not watching game film. when someone points out how many variables there are in the game of football, that person is crucified for accepting "mediocrity". i'm sorry you can't see that.
The "Fans" know what they see on the field
quote:
We, like the media, can create that pressure
quote:you have no idea what you're talking about. you don't know what he does and doesn't do. everyone has different styles and after 5 seasons, miles' is working pretty darn well. you, like all the other negatigers, lack perspective
If Miles doesn't want his ship to sink, he better start getting more involved on the sidelines, getting in his coaches and players faces and letting them know what he expects them to do and getting his team fired up.
quote:are you serious? his "sideline presence" is blinding you from recognizing the wins?
On the sidelines now he looks like my bored Uncle at my 2nd cousins 6th birthday.
Posted on 12/17/09 at 11:26 pm to bfniii
people are failing to see that no team can be at the top forever. the best teams hisorically are having terrible years. michigan, notre dame, florida state, oklahoma, miami, usc they are all down this year. also, to blame one person for a "failed" football program is absurd, when the failure is 17-8 streak. we are still at the top of college football. i feel like its y2k all over again; a bunch of people thinking its the end of the world, and really nothings wrong. why is no one talking about the improvement from last year? would you rather win close games, or be blown out 51-21, 52-38, 31-13 like we were last year? miles is addressing the problems, and fixing them. with two new offensive hires, and possibly more to come; a more experienced team, and better depth; i'm looking forward to a great season next year. 
This post was edited on 12/17/09 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 12/19/09 at 1:52 am to bfniii
just to sum up this thread so far:
1. my comment about miles' responsibilities was taken out of context
2. "crowton's offense gets worse every year" myth repeated - addressed by ztiger87
3. miles not given credit for the things he does well
4. offense stats for the past 3 seasons cited - fairly valid point
5. sfp's histrionics
6. ad hominem attacks on miles
7. "talent" myth perpetuated despite the o.p.
8. reality tiger (needs to change his handle) dredged up the coker comparison. wow
9. i get called a "miles homer" for pointing out that negatigers oversimplify and lack perspective
negatigers don't even realize they're validating the o.p. with the garbage in this thread. the only substantive response was #4.
1. my comment about miles' responsibilities was taken out of context
2. "crowton's offense gets worse every year" myth repeated - addressed by ztiger87
3. miles not given credit for the things he does well
4. offense stats for the past 3 seasons cited - fairly valid point
5. sfp's histrionics
6. ad hominem attacks on miles
7. "talent" myth perpetuated despite the o.p.
8. reality tiger (needs to change his handle) dredged up the coker comparison. wow
9. i get called a "miles homer" for pointing out that negatigers oversimplify and lack perspective
negatigers don't even realize they're validating the o.p. with the garbage in this thread. the only substantive response was #4.
Posted on 12/19/09 at 8:17 am to bfniii
bf, great job on this thread using common sense and logic.
As you can see, common sense and logic are not valued commodities on the Rant, but regardless, I enjoyed your making the rantards squirum.
As you can see, common sense and logic are not valued commodities on the Rant, but regardless, I enjoyed your making the rantards squirum.
Posted on 12/19/09 at 9:29 am to timlan2057
To sum up and repeat an old line.
The perfect season for LSU is to go 12-0, win the SECCG, win the BCS CG and then fire the coach, cause he did not do it right.
The perfect season for LSU is to go 12-0, win the SECCG, win the BCS CG and then fire the coach, cause he did not do it right.
Posted on 12/19/09 at 9:35 am to bfniii
I agree.
Of course LM's main goal is winning games you tards.
However that doesnt negate the other 100 responsiblities he has as HC.
Pretty sure thats what the OP was intending.
There are many on this board that have all this figured out.
YOu wonder why they wont quit their 10 buck per hr day job and make the big bucks coaching and leading the LSU Tigers.
Of course LM's main goal is winning games you tards.
However that doesnt negate the other 100 responsiblities he has as HC.
Pretty sure thats what the OP was intending.
There are many on this board that have all this figured out.
YOu wonder why they wont quit their 10 buck per hr day job and make the big bucks coaching and leading the LSU Tigers.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:26 am to timlan2057
quote:well, i had help from some other reasonable lsu fans but, thanks.
great job on this thread using common sense and logic.
my overall point is this: certain fans oversimplify in order to blame the coach. it's the most common tactic in college football fandom (especially offense playcalling) but negatigers either don't see that or don't care. the myths in the op are the 2009 lsu specific iterations of that tactic.
my previous post showed that after 8+ pages, there were absolutely no substantive responses other than the overall offense ranking since '07 and even that point was responded to.
if you know anything about the sec over the last 3 decades, it would be almost unprecedented for a coach to have a better resume than miles over a 5 year period. that's the perspective that's lacking from negatigers. they're asking miles to do something that is almost unreasonable. yes, there are problems but, everyone has problems. including nick satan. he won't be on top forever so just relax
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:50 am to bfniii
quote:Well, then by using this argument you just completely negated the other side of the issue. You have deemed it impossible to know, be able to connect the dots, or make a judgment call and have an argument.
this is exactly what i'm pointing out. you think you know what the problems are but you really don't. you have no idea what, if any, extenuating circumstances exist
You have just won the argument by virtually shutting down the opposition, claiming that it has no right to argue...you sound like a political party. By using your argument that "no one knows what's going on and thereby you can't have an opinion", you effectively negated your own argument as well, because you too do not know what's going on inside either, so you just made yourself look completely stupid with that line of reasoning.
If we used your reasoning above, we could just compeltely shut down the Rant, because no one would be allowed to comment on the program, because "they don't know what goes on inside". I guess we could have BelowPar come on once a month and type a paragraph or two, and that would be the Rant.
quote:Horrible, horrible weak arguements. I feel like I am in high school arguing with you, this is the best you can come up with?
you have no idea what you're talking about. you don't know what he does and doesn't do. everyone has different styles and after 5 seasons, miles' is working pretty darn well. you, like all the other negatigers, lack perspective
quote:His public image is what's driving most of his negatives. Miles "Q" rating is probably bottom of the barrel when matched against other head coaches at big programs.
are you serious? his "sideline presence" is blinding you from recognizing the wins?
Again, because you aren't politically and media savvy, like some of us here who are professionals at this, you can't see it, and just judge wins/losses. His poor public perception is what's driving his negatives. This in turn makes all of his decisions (even if they are deemed borderline good) look dumb. His poor public perception is his own fault, not mine. Don't get mad at me for pointing it out. Miles needs a media manager to help him.
This post was edited on 12/21/09 at 10:51 am
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:53 am to bfniii
quote:You've come up with nothing substantive other than an old, stale argument that no one can judge because they aren't on the inside. Your logic and reasoning are poor and outdated and are not even valid on an open discussion board.
great job on this thread using common sense and logic.
well, i had help from some other reasonable lsu fans
Posted on 12/21/09 at 10:56 am to bfniii
quote:
just to sum up this thread so far:
1. my comment about miles' responsibilities was taken out of context
2. "crowton's offense gets worse every year" myth repeated - addressed by ztiger87
3. miles not given credit for the things he does well
4. offense stats for the past 3 seasons cited - fairly valid point
5. sfp's histrionics
6. ad hominem attacks on miles
7. "talent" myth perpetuated despite the o.p.
8. reality tiger (needs to change his handle) dredged up the coker comparison. wow
9. i get called a "miles homer" for pointing out that negatigers oversimplify and lack perspective
negatigers don't even realize they're validating the o.p. with the garbage in this thread. the only substantive response was #4.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 11:01 am to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:> bfniii
Tiger_n_ATL
Wow, that was a total beatdown ..... but, of course, you're not entitled to an opinion, because you can't know any more than bfniii, who gets to have an opinion, even though he doesn't know any more than anyone else. Am I straight on this? This circular logic is taxing my limited negatiger intellect.
This post was edited on 12/21/09 at 11:04 am
Posted on 12/21/09 at 12:02 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:i admitted that the stats that show the decline over 3 seasons are a concern so you're criticism isn't entirely true
You have deemed it impossible to know, be able to connect the dots, or make a judgment call and have an argument.
quote:in case you haven't caught on to this, the so called positigers aren't trying to get someone fired. they see the big picture
you effectively negated your own argument as well, because you too do not know what's going on inside either, so you just made yourself look completely stupid with that line of reasoning.
quote:you haven't even addressed the issue, pal. so, your comment doesn't really mean much
Horrible, horrible weak arguements. I feel like I am in high school arguing with you, this is the best you can come up with?
quote:this is called ad hominem. it's irrelevant when discussing his job performance
His public image is what's driving most of his negatives. Miles "Q" rating is probably bottom of the barrel when matched against other head coaches at big programs.
quote:have you even read the op? i was the one saying YOU are oversimplifying by ignoring the things he does well. i'm not the one just judging w/l. go read the op again.
you can't see it, and just judge wins/losses
Posted on 12/21/09 at 12:07 pm to bfniii
could you not break up his post into more quotes so it'd be easier to read?
Posted on 12/21/09 at 12:08 pm to LJBurton
quote:i'll explain again: negatigers are oversimplifying to justify firing a coach. that's not what i'm doing. i'm trying to point out that there is more going on than rantards want to admit and therefore, firing a coach is NOT NECESSARILY the best remedy. i'm sorry you can't see how this is playing out. it's not about having an opinion. it's about substantiation.
you're not entitled to an opinion, because you can't know any more than bfniii, who gets to have an opinion, even though he doesn't know any more than anyone else
this is once again, another example of not responding to the specific points made in the op. not one person has shown ANYTHING in the op to be completely false or just plain unreasonable (case in point: max's responses. textbook non-response). it's all ad hominem and obfuscation.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 12:09 pm to bfniii
i'm running away with the ranter fantasy league right now thanks to your post-season surge. thanks
Posted on 12/21/09 at 12:10 pm to Maximus
in case you haven't figured this out, it prevents confusion about what specifically is being responded to in long posts. it's a typical message board method
Posted on 12/21/09 at 12:46 pm to bfniii
quote:As I stated, I'm not trying to get him fired, I know he's not going anywhere so your attacks do not apply to me. I am criticizing him which you are allowed to do as a fan and on a message board. Hopefully, if enough fans stand up and put the pressure on him and the administration through critiques, he will clean up his act and start coaching better.
in case you haven't caught on to this, the so called positigers aren't trying to get someone fired. they see the big picture
quote:weak
you haven't even addressed the issue, pal. so, your comment doesn't really mean much
quote:
this is called ad hominem. it's irrelevant when discussing his job performance
No, it isn't . You don't even know the meaning of "ad hominem" . That's a baseless attack. My critique of his was reasoned and logical and is a reflection of his job performance. He gets overly criticized BECAUSE he looks and acts clueless on the sidelines and in interviews. It may not be fair, but it's reality. If he wants to stop getting criticized so much, then stop doing it.quote:He recruits well, so he doesn't do everything bad, how's that? You are oversimplifying things by saying that EVERYONE who has a criticism of Les Miles somehow falls into some nefarious category that you call a negatiger, or perpetuating of 'myths'. My point is that some of the "myths" are justified, and are in fact SELF INFLICTED by Miles himself, and have been used outside of the Rant by people known in the CFB world to be experts, so therefore they are not just Rant "myths".
have you even read the op? i was the one saying YOU are oversimplifying by ignoring the things he does well. i'm not the one just judging w/l. go read the op again.
This post was edited on 12/21/09 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 12/21/09 at 12:59 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
bfniii needs to give up, this is a massive beat down. How many threads are you going to start calling other people out using your illogical opinions as fact and get intellectually crushed?
Time to pack your bags.
Time to pack your bags.
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