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re: rant myths
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:22 am to Reality Tiger
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:22 am to Reality Tiger
quote:wow. you're just not getting it. while the amount might be indicative of how much winning is weighted, he's being held accountible for much more than that and you know it. but keep being obstinant.
What other stipulations of the contract provide for him to be the highest paid coach in America???
quote:do you think it's realistic to expect any coach to be able to sustain MORE than that in the sec? if so, who do you think is capable of it? nobody in a long, long time. the best you've got is spurrier and even he didn't do what negatigers want.
At first it's acceptable if we're in the "top third" in the conference
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Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:24 am to LsuTool
quote:you're right, all alleva cares about is winning. go out and kill someone tonight. we'll cover it up. as long as you win.
There has got to a publication somewhere that compares HCs based on those factors. That is what really counts and why we pay him the big bucks
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:25 am to LsuTool
quote:you're not talking about recruiting rankings are you? because we all know that they're the bible
Make sure and look at the classifcation of the players on the 2 deep
quote:and yet ended up 3rd in the sec this year. how did that happen? luck i guess.
Miles did an incredible job destroying our defensive line.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:26 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
UO? not weak. significant drop
Oregon Offense 2004-2007
2004 - Total 397 37th Passing 238 ypg 39th Rushing 159 ypg 55th Points 26 ppg 55th TOs 10-14-24 -2 TO +/-
2005 - Total 439 18th Passing 305 ypg 8th Rushing 134 ypg 74th Points 35 ppg 12th TOs 10-9-19 +13 TO +/-
2006 - Total 423 ypg 9th Passing 241 ypg 26th Rushing 182 ypg 14th Points 29 ppg 25th TOs 18-14-32 -10 TO +/-
2007 - Total 468 ypg 10th Passing 216 ypg 64th Rushing 252 ypg 6th Points 38 12th TOs 10-14-24 +9 TO +/-
Going from +13 in turnovers in year 1 to -10 in year 2 was the only significant drop. The offense went from pass happy approach with Kellen Clemens as the QB to a more run heavey offense with Dennis Dixon and Jonathan Stewart, but still managed to move the ball.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:27 am to the LSUSaint
quote:the question is how realistic are the expectations of rantards. well, he gets paid alot and we have "talent". well, he should be able to surpass spurrier's 90's record because of that, right? oh, and saban and meyer shouldn't be much of a roadblock either.
You are right, he is paid to "coach em up" and to "desire" to not "be second".
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:28 am to LsuTool
quote:raises are not the only way to judge what he gets evaluated on. i'm sorry this point is escaping you.
Does he get raises for having good morals?
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:28 am to bfniii
quote:
i doubt very seriously that if he were out getting arrested every night,
But he doesn't get more money for staying out of trouble. Same for NCAA compliance. This is what you are missing. He is not compensated more for these things.
He gets paid more for winning games. He gets bonuses for getting to any bowl game, a bigger bonus for a BCS bowl game, bonus for the SECCG and BCSNCG. The only bonus he gets that is not related to winning is for graduation and GPA rates. And that bonus amount is minor compared to these other bonuses.
It's all about winning games. How you don't see that is beyond my comprehension.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:30 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Gonzo being pushed out is a rumor by UF to justify his leaving. The fact is he did not have to accept an LSU offer and would not have signed on to a sinking ship like you portray. True, Chavis was no longer employed by UT but again he had other offers and chose LSU. Money was not the only reason. Obviously the LSU program looks to be in good shape from the inside. Also, you forgot about Wilson. Sure he wanted to come home but not if he thought Miles was a joke of a coach and he would be looking for a job in the near future. He was on a new staff at Tennessee that will be given every chance to succeed and would have had years of job secruity on that staff. The fact that he left that job secruity to coach under Miles shows great respect for the job Miles is doing at LSU.
gonzo was being pushed out at UF, and chavis was not hired away from UTenn
plus miles has a shitpile of money to offer
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:34 am to JustSmokin
quote:it's not the only thing he gets evaluated on regardless of salary stipulations. i had no idea this would be so hard for randtards to grasp.
Winning is the only thing in his contract that GUARANTEES a massive increase. Prove otherwise.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:37 am to bfniii
quote:
it's not the only thing he gets evaluated on regardless of salary stipulations.
Please tell us what other things LSU considered in giving him that massive increase after winning the NC.
I proved to you where winning the NC mandated that increase. It's your turn to prove that LSU considered other stuff when they gave him that increase.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:40 am to bfniii
quote:
it's not the only thing he gets evaluated on regardless of salary stipulations. i had no idea this would be so hard for randtards to grasp
It's you who's not grasping it dude.
You've not made on coherent point.
And a dozen people here have proven that you're wrong.
We can only help you so much.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:44 am to bfniii
quote:
raises are not the only way to judge what he gets evaluated on. i'm sorry this point is escaping you.
Yeah, you're right -- there are those secret times when Joe Alleva nods from the press box and although Miles doesn't know it an evaluation has been made about the way he wears his hat, his sideline tutoring of Jordan Jefferson and the subtle sense of excellence he confers on the university simply by being Les Miles.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:45 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:the point is that rantards can't have it both ways. the sec can't both be the best conference and lsu have a monopoly on talent which then covers up miles' failures. RANT MYTH.
well if we're going by nfl draft status and college awards, you pretty much corner the market on good players
quote:interesting. i wonder why those in the college football community thought enough to hire him at a big time job even though he clearly sucks. maybe there's some info you're not aware of.
3, with a SIGNIFICANT drop in each year, with a SIGNIFICANT increase with a better OC in 2007
quote:colorful. i would say that everything i've heard is that michigan brass want him. but leave it to sfp to obfuscate.
they think he's a guy who screwed gary moeller's wife, which is why he was forced out and went to Colordado
quote:whatever. it's college football. it's crazy like that.
that should never happen unless we are marshall
quote:i see. you want him to never have made any mistakes. ever. that's realistic.
it's not hard to improve from the 100s
quote:or, the team got better. they could have lost but didn't. regardless, we'll see what happens next year. chavis' second year so the defense should be solid again. if crowton doesn't improve significantly, then i'm ok with showing him the door. the problem is that rantards don't understand you don't just shove someone out without A VERY GOOD REPLACEMENT. those people are often locked up in contracts
the team just played lesser teams (UGA, UF) and got lucky (MSU, Vandy, Arky)
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:48 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:i've proven my point. no team wins every sec game. heck, saban lost to ulm, much less utah. if you were right, the biggest budgets would ALWAYS win. talent doesn't win in spite of coaching. RANT MYTH
and you're very wrong
quote:there's more than one starter on a team. and yes, there are some exceptions down at the bottom.
tyson lee doesn't even get a sniff at scout QB at LSU
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:49 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:doesn't mean anyone wants to come work for him. if he sucked, they wouldn't. face it, you're not on the inside like you think
plus miles has a shitpile of money to offer
quote:two words: 5 seasons
3 words: ole. miss. game.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:50 am to bfniii
quote:
the point is that rantards can't have it both ways. the sec can't both be the best conference and lsu have a monopoly on talent which then covers up miles' failures. RANT MYTH.
No one said that.
Does LSU have the roughly the same talent as Alabama and Florida yes. Yet MIles is 0-4 in those games in the last two years.
But LSU has MORE talent than most of the teams in the league.
May this will help you understand.
Larry Coker bio
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:51 am to bfniii
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:55 am to bfniii
quote:
i've proven my point. no team wins every sec game. heck, saban lost to ulm, much less utah. if you were right, the biggest budgets would ALWAYS win. talent doesn't win in spite of coaching. RANT MYTH
No, dude -- you've gotten schooled about football.
NIck Saban lost to ULM -- are you rserious?
They've gone undefeated 2 of the last 3 seasons.
With a team that was 6-6 two years ago.
No one expects LSU to win every game.
But Miles isn't even close to that standard.
Posted on 12/16/09 at 11:57 am to bfniii
quote:While I agree with the bold portion. . .
crowton sucks. everybody relax. his offense has had one really bad season. give him a chance to improve the situation.
quote:
2006 (Jimbo & Searles' last year)
Total Offense: 11
Passing: 18
Rushing: 31
Sacks allowed: 24 (19)
2007
Total Offense: 26
Passing: 58
Rushing: 11
Sacks allowed: 66 (30)
2008
Total Offense: 55
Passing: 71
Rushing: 43
Sacks allowed: 45 (22)
2009
Total Offense: 108
Passing: 99
Rushing: 84
Sacks allowed: 107 (35)
One bad year?
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