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re: Quick slants, option, screens
Posted on 10/11/17 at 8:33 am to CatsGoneWild
Posted on 10/11/17 at 8:33 am to CatsGoneWild
best play we ran last week was the short throw to the TE just over the line of scrimmage, 4th quarter I believe. He then took it straight upfield for about 15 yards. It looked like a middle screen, but wasn't.
Short throws work.
Short throws work.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 8:51 am to atltiger6487
Looks like Canada would pick up on it!



Posted on 10/11/17 at 8:59 am to 1badboy
So basically I'm getting that DE sucks at pretty much everything that involves throwing. Maybe give the purest passer we've had since Mett another chance (Brennen)?
Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:02 am to OceanMan
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UF runs a lot of man, probably why you didn't see many slants,
What? Its a slant, nothing tricky. Plus easier to throw against man than zone.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:08 am to CatsGoneWild
Firstly, DE has done pretty well on deep balls this year. Yes, the miss to DW in the UF game was bad; and completely on him. And I do remember people bitching about him underthrowing balls. That's fricking why! At least DW had a chance. But, did he trust DW to be able to fight for it if DB got over? Probably not, hence he hedged his bets and missed too big with poor accuracy.
LSU is 56th nationally with +20yd pass plays (9th in 2013), 6th in +40yd pass plays (54th in 2013). Chose 2013 numbers for a basis of comparison.
Secondly, due to his mental hitch, double clutches, lack of ability to throw to a spot where the WR is going to be, and lack of chemistry/trust with the WRs Canada is probably scared to death of them.
Thirdly, we're actually throwing to TEs and RBs now, it serves the same purpose and is less risky. Not as much yardage and not as effective on 3rd downs for sure. But the risk is much lower. If DE continues to miss on those flare's and flats like he did in the UF game, we have a huge problem. That right there might be the trigger to start or play Brennan more... maybe. Because if that comes to fruition, we're screwed on 3rd downs; it's already pretty damn bad.
In short, it looks like Canada would rather, or was directed to, absorb the poor 3rd down conversions rather than the high-risk passes with DE (high risk BECAUSE it's DE).
A) You have to trust your WR to cross the face of the DB, sometimes he will have to out-physical him to do that. Our WRs are inexperienced, and it's starting to look like not well coached.
B) UF is #2 DBU, they are well schooled on such techniques
C) They are taught to fight for position and then play the ball on a route such as a slant, not play the WR. Increases the chances if there's a mistake by EITHER the WR or QB, it's a turnover.
D) QB has to trust himself to put it on a spot, trust the WR to be at that spot AND that he will have a passing lane (OL usually has to be trusted to either cut block or quickly turn man in/out similar to a running play, without going downfield or getting a high-low penalty).
E) throws in the middle of the field when hurried are usually high. If DE is hurrying himself (which we've seen many times) a high throw there is deadly.
Quick slants are anything but simple, take much practice, and are high risk when going against good man-2-man
LSU is 56th nationally with +20yd pass plays (9th in 2013), 6th in +40yd pass plays (54th in 2013). Chose 2013 numbers for a basis of comparison.
Secondly, due to his mental hitch, double clutches, lack of ability to throw to a spot where the WR is going to be, and lack of chemistry/trust with the WRs Canada is probably scared to death of them.
Thirdly, we're actually throwing to TEs and RBs now, it serves the same purpose and is less risky. Not as much yardage and not as effective on 3rd downs for sure. But the risk is much lower. If DE continues to miss on those flare's and flats like he did in the UF game, we have a huge problem. That right there might be the trigger to start or play Brennan more... maybe. Because if that comes to fruition, we're screwed on 3rd downs; it's already pretty damn bad.
In short, it looks like Canada would rather, or was directed to, absorb the poor 3rd down conversions rather than the high-risk passes with DE (high risk BECAUSE it's DE).
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What? Its a slant, nothing tricky. Plus easier to throw against man than zone.
A) You have to trust your WR to cross the face of the DB, sometimes he will have to out-physical him to do that. Our WRs are inexperienced, and it's starting to look like not well coached.
B) UF is #2 DBU, they are well schooled on such techniques
C) They are taught to fight for position and then play the ball on a route such as a slant, not play the WR. Increases the chances if there's a mistake by EITHER the WR or QB, it's a turnover.
D) QB has to trust himself to put it on a spot, trust the WR to be at that spot AND that he will have a passing lane (OL usually has to be trusted to either cut block or quickly turn man in/out similar to a running play, without going downfield or getting a high-low penalty).
E) throws in the middle of the field when hurried are usually high. If DE is hurrying himself (which we've seen many times) a high throw there is deadly.
Quick slants are anything but simple, take much practice, and are high risk when going against good man-2-man
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 9:22 am
Posted on 10/11/17 at 9:35 am to I20goon
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Quick slants are anything but simple, take much practice, and are high risk when going against good man-2-man
I don't think you say anything that can't be applied to all pass routes: trust receiver, trust QB, QB has to deliver a good ball, good blocking, DBs are taught to defend routes, etc.
OL generally doesn't cut block on slants - that's more high school.
Slants have benefits: If missed, little chance for interception. WR body will shield DB. No safety over top due to the route. Etc
Slants are not difficult and one of the safest routes to throw, especially against man.
I wouldn't throw against zone.
Edit: I will say that the reason we probable don't see more slants has to do with the receiver mentality that it does take to run them - over the middle. You have to tough and ready for potential hit.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 9:39 am
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:05 am to Hold That Tiger 10
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Quick slants- maybe don't trust him to throw it
Isnt it the easiest throw in football?
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Screens- idk
Probably because an OL full of run-blocking guards(Thanks Miles) cant get out fast enough to pick up blocks and arent quick enough to engage LBs and secondary personnel in space.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:07 am to LSUvet72
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Throw ball deep and let our 6'5" WR rebound some balls.... if it is INT it is probably better than our incapable punters can do
This was Less Smiles philosophy. Run, run, deep pass-punt. Play stout defense. Win or lose by 3.
Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:35 am to William G
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Atleast Dee Anderson finally got on the field this past week.

Posted on 10/11/17 at 10:40 am to CatsGoneWild
We can't run quick slants and WR screens because Etling has nonidea how to get the ball out quickly which combined with his noodle arm, is just asking the defense to house it the other way.
This post was edited on 10/11/17 at 10:41 am
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