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re: Question to the Fans Who Complained About JD Coming Back Resulting in Howard Transferring:
Posted on 7/29/23 at 6:31 pm to MikeTheTiger71
Posted on 7/29/23 at 6:31 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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It’s the exact opposite. There’s no reasoning with someone who wants to look only at one metric and not consider the overall offensive efficiency factors for LSU that were Top 10 in the country.
When it comes to improvements, you people are saying ignore something that keeps LSU from being an elite offense.
I NEVER ONCE said he isn’t a good QB. NOT A SINGLE TIME.
I’m looking at W/La versus all types of defenses.
LSU will NEVER be elite if the offense can’t consistently stretch the field to keep the defense honest. That’s basic football.
Teams will load the box and force him to beat them with his arm. It’s fundamental.
His OWN COACH said it all last season ie lack of picks because he is too conservative and didn’t trust his receivers. Aka isn’t throwing them open or allowing them to go get it.
I do not understand how some of you are arguing with Brian Kelly.
If you want to blame this on Kelly then so be it. All I know is his yards per attempt has decreased every season of his career.
And no, I do not believe Nuss should start ahead of him. He is not a better quarterback.
This post was edited on 7/29/23 at 6:37 pm
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Posted on 7/29/23 at 6:33 pm to Contrary
quote:Nuss is better than Daniels and Howard. I’ll go on the record and say Nuss will be starting at soem point this year when Daniels shows absolutely no improvement. He will tuck and run like he has done his entire career.
Nuss is better. Period.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 6:46 pm to Tarpon08
quote:When it comes to QBs yes he is close to if not incompetent. Look at his history managing the position.
OK so you are claiming that Brian Kelly is incompetent. Gotcha just wanted to clarify.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 6:52 pm to TrouserTrout
This fricking guy is back 
Posted on 7/29/23 at 8:41 pm to Tiger1988
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His OWN COACH said it all last season ie lack of picks because he is too conservative and didn’t trust his receivers. Aka isn’t throwing them open or allowing them to go get it. I do not understand how some of you are arguing with Brian Kelly.
I’m not arguing with Kelly. He made those comments early in the season. I’m disputing your assertion that he didn’t improve in that regard later in the season. As to whether or not they can be elite, I guess that depends on your cutoff for elite. If it’s Top 5 in the country, then, yes, he needs to continue improving. If it’s Top 10, they were already Top 10-12 last year in offensive efficiency.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 8:59 pm to TrouserTrout
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Nuss is better than Daniels and Howard. I’ll go on the record and say Nuss will be starting at soem point this year when Daniels shows absolutely no improvement. He will tuck and run like he has done his entire career.
This is going to be very interesting to see how it plays out - if over the course of the first few games, JD isn’t pushing the ball down the field, will CBK bench him for Nuss?
Posted on 7/29/23 at 9:02 pm to MikeTheTiger71
You’re looking at a meaningless cripple bowl game and a game where LSU got its shite pushed in by UGA. Neither of those games are good games as by the point where he put up the numbers against UGA it was over.
The TAMU game was HORRIBLE. That game MATTERED AND WAS FOR A PLAYOFF SPOT. Hurt? Beat them with his arm…
UAB doesn’t count for anything but padding stats.
Ole Miss was a good win? Look again. The only game they won the rest of the season was against a TAMU team without their starter - barely. They lost 4/5 (that’s not counting the bowl loss)
Bama? - they had a terrible defense as we all saw. But that was his best game. His legs won that game. He won it.
Arky?sick or not that was terrible.
UF? - went 2-4 the rest of the regular season.
I’m trying hard to understand what great teams LSU actually beat especially those with a heartbeat on defense. Bama was about the best.
So I looked over the entire season. I guess the Tenn game was probably his best game IF you really watched him during that game. Kelly said as much himself
The TAMU game was HORRIBLE. That game MATTERED AND WAS FOR A PLAYOFF SPOT. Hurt? Beat them with his arm…
UAB doesn’t count for anything but padding stats.
Ole Miss was a good win? Look again. The only game they won the rest of the season was against a TAMU team without their starter - barely. They lost 4/5 (that’s not counting the bowl loss)
Bama? - they had a terrible defense as we all saw. But that was his best game. His legs won that game. He won it.
Arky?sick or not that was terrible.
UF? - went 2-4 the rest of the regular season.
I’m trying hard to understand what great teams LSU actually beat especially those with a heartbeat on defense. Bama was about the best.
So I looked over the entire season. I guess the Tenn game was probably his best game IF you really watched him during that game. Kelly said as much himself
Posted on 7/29/23 at 9:23 pm to Tiger1988
I would argue that he wasn’t very impressive at all in the bama game
outside of our final 2 drives
outside of our final 2 drives
Posted on 7/29/23 at 9:26 pm to MarlboroTiger
he drastically outplayed Bryce YoungPosted on 7/29/23 at 9:42 pm to DBG
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he drastically outplayed Bryce Young
If you watched the entire game and your takeaway is that you would rather have JD over BY then I’ve got some ocean front property in bawcomeville to sell you. Everyone on here was calling for JD to be benched the entire game up until those final 2 drives
Posted on 7/29/23 at 9:47 pm to MarlboroTiger
I didn’t say that. I said he outplayed Young.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 9:47 pm to Geauxldninja
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Hope Howard figures it out but I don’t think we as tiger fans should be worried about losing him.
I don't think Howard's lack of performance at LSU was indicative of his talent. He only practiced with the scout team.
You remember Nuss' play vs Arkansas his freshman year? Different player vs Georgia and Purdue.
Some of the Talking Heads reported that Howard looked good in Spring Practice at Ole Miss. He will probably get an opportunity to play some this season. That would not happen if he was still at LSU. Nuss vs Howard in 24.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 10:00 pm to Gus007
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He will probably get an opportunity to play some this season. That would not happen if he was still at LSU. Nuss vs Howard in 24.
We could be going into this season with Nuss as the starter and Howard still on the roster as the backup, but instead we have a starter who isn’t a competent down field passer
Posted on 7/29/23 at 10:06 pm to Gus007
Spencer Sanders was billed as impressive in spring practice.
Better chance that Howard is 3rd string(again) than takes any meaningful snaps.
He should shine at USL in 2024 though
Better chance that Howard is 3rd string(again) than takes any meaningful snaps.
He should shine at USL in 2024 though
Posted on 7/29/23 at 10:08 pm to MarlboroTiger
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We could be going into this season with Nuss as the starter and Howard still on the roster as the backup, but instead we have a starter who isn’t a competent down field passer
Yes, LSU could have two inexperienced and untested QBs, one of whom has shown a propensity to turn the ball over. That’s much better than a 4-year starter who led LSU to an SEC West title and produced one of the 10 most efficient offenses last year.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 11:02 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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Yes, LSU could have two inexperienced and untested QBs, one of whom has shown a propensity to turn the ball over. That’s much better than a 4-year starter who led LSU to an SEC West title and produced one of the 10 most efficient offenses last year.
Not the flex yall pretend it is. If he was that good he’d be in the NFL
Posted on 7/29/23 at 11:05 pm to MikeTheTiger71
The poster you are talking with said the following 2 days ago:
In other words you are arguing with a person who is stating that Brian Kelly is incompetent. Just tell him to go frick himself and don’t waste your time.
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I don’t see how any competent person can watch Nuss’ performance against UGA, after being forced to watch JD all year, and think to themselves that Nuss belongs on the bench.
In other words you are arguing with a person who is stating that Brian Kelly is incompetent. Just tell him to go frick himself and don’t waste your time.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 11:14 pm to Tarpon08
Ahh, the ole “a coach has never made a wrong decision” argument. What a simpleton
Posted on 7/29/23 at 11:16 pm to Tarpon08
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In other words you are arguing with a person who is stating that Brian Kelly is incompetent. Just tell him to go frick himself and don’t waste your time.
Ha. Yeah, I do tend to push debates far beyond the point it is clear that the other person isn’t approaching the subject either rationally or with an open mind. I think there’s value at times to making the argument for the sake of other observers, but I’m probably just repeating myself at this point.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 11:18 pm to Tarpon08
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In other words you are arguing with a person who is stating that Brian Kelly is incompetent. Just tell him to go frick himself and don’t waste your time
CBK hasn’t had a great track record with developing QB’s, this isn’t the “gotcha” argument that you think it is
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