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BengalBeaux
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re: The ump sucked
Posted by BengalBeaux on 6/2/24 at 8:38 pm to HonoraryCoonass
College Baseball needs to go to an electronic strike zone. There's not enough competent umps to call all of the games.
re: Alternative Bracket for Regionals
Posted by BengalBeaux on 6/2/24 at 3:50 pm to GeauxtigersMs36
It's complicated with lots of variables and I really don't know how I could have made it any briefer. I suppose the audience is a multiple choice true/false crowd that never had to read or write an essay.
Alternative Bracket for Regionals
Posted by BengalBeaux on 6/2/24 at 3:36 pm
I’ve never understood why D1 four team regionals are set up as they are where the winners of the first day’s game play each other on the second day. This “Present Bracket” guarantees that for the remainder of the regional one team will have a pitching advantage.
Why instead isn’t it set up that on the second day, the Winner of Game 1 plays the Loser of Game 2 and the Winner of Game 2 plays the Loser of Game 1. We’ll call this the “Alternative Bracket”. With this arrangement there are three possible outcomes:
A) Both Winning Teams from Day 1 also win on Day 2
B) Both Losing Teams from Day 1 win on Day 2
C) One Winning Team from Day 1 wins on Day 2 while the other Winning Team from Day 1 loses on Day 2.
If outcome “A” occurs, then two teams are eliminated and you’re left with the two remaining teams playing a three game series against the other on equal pitching.
If outcome “B” occurs, then all four teams are still in contention. In this event the teams would each play the team they’ve not played yet in an elimination game. The two teams surviving the elimination game would then meet in a single game to determine the champion. Once again, pitching is equal throughout the tournament.
Lastly, if outcome “C” occurs, then you’re effectively left with the precise same situation you have after the second day now, where one team is 2-0, two teams are 1-1, and one team is eliminated. In this event, the team that’s 2-0 will enjoy a pitching advantage.
The Present Bracket” system always results in a team having a pitching advantage after Day 2. Using the “Alternative Bracket”, it’s possible that one team will emerge with a pitching advantage after Day 2, but also very possible that teams will compete on even pitching though the entirety of the tournament.
Can anyone explain why the “Present Bracket” is used instead of the “Alternative Bracket”?
Why instead isn’t it set up that on the second day, the Winner of Game 1 plays the Loser of Game 2 and the Winner of Game 2 plays the Loser of Game 1. We’ll call this the “Alternative Bracket”. With this arrangement there are three possible outcomes:
A) Both Winning Teams from Day 1 also win on Day 2
B) Both Losing Teams from Day 1 win on Day 2
C) One Winning Team from Day 1 wins on Day 2 while the other Winning Team from Day 1 loses on Day 2.
If outcome “A” occurs, then two teams are eliminated and you’re left with the two remaining teams playing a three game series against the other on equal pitching.
If outcome “B” occurs, then all four teams are still in contention. In this event the teams would each play the team they’ve not played yet in an elimination game. The two teams surviving the elimination game would then meet in a single game to determine the champion. Once again, pitching is equal throughout the tournament.
Lastly, if outcome “C” occurs, then you’re effectively left with the precise same situation you have after the second day now, where one team is 2-0, two teams are 1-1, and one team is eliminated. In this event, the team that’s 2-0 will enjoy a pitching advantage.
The Present Bracket” system always results in a team having a pitching advantage after Day 2. Using the “Alternative Bracket”, it’s possible that one team will emerge with a pitching advantage after Day 2, but also very possible that teams will compete on even pitching though the entirety of the tournament.
Can anyone explain why the “Present Bracket” is used instead of the “Alternative Bracket”?
re: Jeremy Hill had the best explanation about the fumble recovery that was not.
Posted by BengalBeaux on 11/6/22 at 10:50 pm to 62zip
Possession of the ball with a foot out of bounds is a totally different thing than a slap at the ball while out of bounds. Precedent does matter because it defines how a written rule has been interpreted, applied, and enforced. That should not change suddenly because a different interpretation would aid the SEC's favorite son.
Once again, this play was not all that strange. There's been numerous fumbles and other live ball situations near the sideline that can be looked at. Please show me one example as to when this interpretation was applied to an out of bounds player touching (not possessing) a live ball and suddenly causing the ball to be deemed dead.
Once again, this play was not all that strange. There's been numerous fumbles and other live ball situations near the sideline that can be looked at. Please show me one example as to when this interpretation was applied to an out of bounds player touching (not possessing) a live ball and suddenly causing the ball to be deemed dead.
re: Jeremy Hill had the best explanation about the fumble recovery that was not.
Posted by BengalBeaux on 11/6/22 at 10:06 pm to 62zip
I don't know what the exact language of the rule is; but honestly, it's irrelevant. Precedence is what matters. When in your life have you ever seen a fumble ruled in this manner. Think of all the onside kicks that are recovered right at the sideline along with all the players losing control of the ball and juggling it when they went out of bounds. Have any of these even once been declared "ball is dead because it was touched by an out of bounds player"?
This is What Just Happened
Posted by BengalBeaux on 11/29/15 at 3:24 pm
Whether you agree that Miles should stay or go, this is what just happened; the national media dictated to LSU that we would be retaining Les Miles, and that's what's really pathetic.
re: Analysis on Alabama and Tom Ritter
Posted by BengalBeaux on 11/11/14 at 5:08 pm to ApexTiger
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Do you have specific data for LSU and Alabama?
2007 - Tom Ritter - LSU 41-34, This is when he first got our attention calling 14 penalties on the Tigers for 130 yards and nary a one on the Tide. There were also a couple key on the field calls made Alabama's way that were reversed in the replay booth.
2008 - Penn Wagers - Alabama 27-21 in OT
2009 - Tom Ritter - Alabama 24-15 - Patrick Peterson INT ruled incorrectly on the field. Looks like they smartened up and fired the replay booth guy from 2007 because this shitty call didn't get reversed.
2010 - Matt Austin - LSU 24-21
2011 - Tom Ritter - LSU 9-6 - no incidents but of course the whole world was watching, so the officials were under a magnifying glass. Of course, the Bammers still complain about the Reed INT.
2012 - Hubert Owens - Alabama 21-17
2013 - Matt Austin - Alabama 38-17
2014 - Tom Ritter - Alabama 20-13
Analysis on Alabama and Tom Ritter
Posted by BengalBeaux on 11/11/14 at 4:53 pm
The whole officiating ordeal we seem to go through with Alabama and Tom Ritter (2007, 2009, and 2014) has been bugging the hell out of me, so much so, that I did some research thinking that it would reveal an Alabama - Tom Ritter connection. But that's not necessarily what I found. Here's a summation of the Alabama officiating results from 2007 to present. Ritter seems to be the selected referee for a larger percentage of games against ranked opponents which might suggest his crew is being cherry picked for the games where Alabama could really use some help. But the records also show the best chance of beating Alabama is with Ritter officiatng.
Interpret the data as you wish. If you have any questions, I've got a lot more data as this is only a summation of the Alabama games.
Matt Austin - 19 Games, Record Overall 17-2, Against Ranked Opponents 6-2
Tom Ritter - 18 Games, Record Overall 11-7, Against Ranked Opponents 7-6
Penn Wagers - 12 Games, Record Overall 12-0, Against Ranked Opponents 2-0
Hubert Owens - 11 games, Record Overall 10-1, Against Ranked Opponents 3-0
Matt Moore - 10 Games, Record Overall 9-1, Against Ranked Opponents 1-1
Ken Williamson - 9 games, Record Overall 9-0, Against Ranked Opponents 1-0
Marc Curles - 8 Games, Record Overall 8-0, Against Ranked Opponents 2-0
Interpret the data as you wish. If you have any questions, I've got a lot more data as this is only a summation of the Alabama games.
Matt Austin - 19 Games, Record Overall 17-2, Against Ranked Opponents 6-2
Tom Ritter - 18 Games, Record Overall 11-7, Against Ranked Opponents 7-6
Penn Wagers - 12 Games, Record Overall 12-0, Against Ranked Opponents 2-0
Hubert Owens - 11 games, Record Overall 10-1, Against Ranked Opponents 3-0
Matt Moore - 10 Games, Record Overall 9-1, Against Ranked Opponents 1-1
Ken Williamson - 9 games, Record Overall 9-0, Against Ranked Opponents 1-0
Marc Curles - 8 Games, Record Overall 8-0, Against Ranked Opponents 2-0
Official Officiating Tracking Thread
Posted by BengalBeaux on 11/10/14 at 9:54 am
I'll preface by saying LSU primarily needs to look at LSU for not winning this game. The dropped passes, lack of QB development, and high school JV designed offensive scheme just to name a few of the problems. However, I'm also convinced there is consistent officiating bias for Alabama and I think Ritter and his crew are at the center of it.
It just seems that Ritter is the official officiating crew of the University of Alabama. I could swear (but have no proof) that they are the officiating crew for more than half of the games Alabama plays.
And it's not just total penalties, it's ball spots, no-calls, and of course timing of penalty calls. More so, if Ritter's crew is calling as many Alabama games and particularly every key game, as I think they are, it gives them a tremendous edge just in the fact that they're more familiar with the officiating crew than the other team.
Against LSU, I know for a fact, they were the crew for the 2007, 2009, 2011(reg season game), and of course this year. I'm pretty sure they were the officiating crew for the 2008 game. I do know factually that they were not the officiating crew for the 2010 game. For the other years, I'm not sure.
Going forward, I'm going to do my best to keep a database of all officiating crews for each SEC game from here on out and hope to have poster's help in spotting the crews so I can update my database. If Ritter's crew or any other crew are inordinately calling a majority of a specific team's games, it needs to be addressed and corrected.
Of course, I've already tried to find a website that list the officiating crews for games played but have not been able to do so. If someone knows of one, please provide a link. Also, if someone has the intelligence to hack into the SEC's computer database and get this data, well, I'm not a fan of hacking, but that would be a wonderful use of your hacking abilities.
It just seems that Ritter is the official officiating crew of the University of Alabama. I could swear (but have no proof) that they are the officiating crew for more than half of the games Alabama plays.
And it's not just total penalties, it's ball spots, no-calls, and of course timing of penalty calls. More so, if Ritter's crew is calling as many Alabama games and particularly every key game, as I think they are, it gives them a tremendous edge just in the fact that they're more familiar with the officiating crew than the other team.
Against LSU, I know for a fact, they were the crew for the 2007, 2009, 2011(reg season game), and of course this year. I'm pretty sure they were the officiating crew for the 2008 game. I do know factually that they were not the officiating crew for the 2010 game. For the other years, I'm not sure.
Going forward, I'm going to do my best to keep a database of all officiating crews for each SEC game from here on out and hope to have poster's help in spotting the crews so I can update my database. If Ritter's crew or any other crew are inordinately calling a majority of a specific team's games, it needs to be addressed and corrected.
Of course, I've already tried to find a website that list the officiating crews for games played but have not been able to do so. If someone knows of one, please provide a link. Also, if someone has the intelligence to hack into the SEC's computer database and get this data, well, I'm not a fan of hacking, but that would be a wonderful use of your hacking abilities.
re: Question about the bias of SEC refs
Posted by BengalBeaux on 10/21/10 at 8:11 pm to WikiTiger
quote:There is no debate. My point has been made, you don't have nor will you ever have quantitative data to settle the question as to if SEC officiating in biased or not. You want to represent your point of view as more than an opinion; it is not.
You are truly a poor debater.
quote:You solicited this specific data which you probably knew existed and had already ran your ANOVA test. You were chomping at the bit to try and impress us with your brilliance by posting your faux scientific evidence even though I and others had previously informed you in kinder words that it was meaningless.
Someone posted a series of penalty stats of 5 SEC teams from 2002 through 2007. He, and others in this thread, claimed that there was a difference in the numbers for Auburn and Alabama (that they were penalized less than other teams).
You're certainly no scientist. You're not even an objective person. What you are is a persistent opinionated incessant (>18,000 posts) mouthpiece spinmaster.
The good news; once you finally find that there are other things to do with your life than post on the rant, you'll find there's plenty of opportunity in this world for someone like yourself. Opportunities abound and stubbornly dishonest people like yourself can thrive in politics, used car sales, global warming research, etc.. Have a great life.
re: Question about the bias of SEC refs
Posted by BengalBeaux on 10/21/10 at 5:48 pm to WikiTiger
quote:Nope, as I've explained before, you've presented crap that you've erroneously claimed was proof, evidence, etc..
I've at least presented evidence.
quote:I've presented my opinion and the reasons I have the opinion I have.
You haven't presented a damn thing except hot air.
You've also presented your opinion which I respect, as everyone has a right to their opinion. What I don't respect is your incorrect, misleading, and false claims that what you're presenting is proven fact.
re: Question about the bias of SEC refs
Posted by BengalBeaux on 10/21/10 at 4:56 pm to BengalBeaux
quote:Wiki, you're the last one who needs to be accusing anyone of confirmation bias (pot calling the kettle black).
he's a classic example of confirmation bias
You know just enough about stats to be dangerous.
I'm proud that you made and A in Stats 2000, but please hold off on claiming you've quantitatively proved something at least until you've finished up with a 3000 level course. :spank:
re: Question about the bias of SEC refs
Posted by BengalBeaux on 10/21/10 at 4:50 pm to LSUJuice
quote:I've been looking for contrary evidence since 2006 in the way of the replay official ruling against Auburn. Hadn't seen it, if you know of an instance, please share it with me so that I can go back to believing everything is honkty-dory on the up-and-up when you play a game at Jurden-Hare.
You ignore anything contrary to that point.
re: Question about the bias of SEC refs
Posted by BengalBeaux on 10/21/10 at 4:40 pm to BengalBeaux
quote:Neither of us can prove anything. We only have our opinions, which differ, and that's fine.
Since you are the one making the claim, then it is on you to PROVE IT!
All I'm saying is that you have not, and can not quantitatively prove jackshit; so, quit misleading the poor sheoples into thinking that you have.
re: Question about the bias of SEC refs
Posted by BengalBeaux on 10/21/10 at 4:33 pm to WikiTiger
quote:
Replay has to be held to the standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt" in overturning calls, because if it wasn't, you would have these exact same arguements. If you could not - via video evidence - tell if a fumble was coming out or not before the runner was down, and the officials on the field ruled no fumble and then the replay booth said it was a fumble and the other team gets possesion, that would explode just as many conspiracy theories. The call on the field has to be the basis of truth and evidence has to be overwhelming to override that.
Do you honestly believe even a fraction of the bullshite you're spewing. I've watched a lot of Auburn football. Not once, not nary a time, has the replay official at Jurden-Hare ruled anything against Auburn. I'm sure you don't control it or are responsible for it; so don't take it personally, but the University of Auburn is blatant cheaters.
re: Question about the bias of SEC refs
Posted by BengalBeaux on 10/21/10 at 4:26 pm to 62zip
quote:I'm not Wiki, but I do know a little more than most about stats. What Wiki is trying to do is futile, useless, and quite frankly, ignorant.
But Tell me Wiki, your a man of stats, numbers and measurables...
Are there things that satistical analyisis can not measure?
If so, is it plausible that the existance of random bias can escape the expert analysis (assuming you had all the data you so seeked)?
The answer to this question CAN NOT be solved by simply using the quantitative data he's using (penalties). In order to arrive at the answer, you'll also need "qualitative" data which, as others have pointed out, takes into account the timing of the calls. But even moreso, you must realize that penalties are only one area with which officiating affects the outcome of games. You must also consider catch/not a catch, fumble/not a fumble, inbounds/out of bounds, touchback/not a touchback, touchdown/not a touchdown, and of course, spotting the ball after each down.
The needed data, not only the quantitative, but also qualitative data to do a relevant and meaningful analysis does not exist.
Wiki, please cease your ridulous pursuit. Because you do not have good data, any conclusions you derive are meaningless and useless. In the world of quantitative analysis: crap in = crap out
Please quit putting out crap.
re: Question about the bias of SEC refs
Posted by BengalBeaux on 10/19/10 at 10:38 pm to OldSarge38
Wiki, I'm happy for you that you're excited about your stats class and are now trying to use quantitative analysis to answer this question, but here's the problem, not all answers can be obtained by quantitative analysis.
In order to make any real determinations, you need to know what penalties were called and just as important, what penalties weren't called, at what point in the game they were called, against what competition were they called, etc..
If you're really interested in the truth, You'd actually have a much better chance of arriving at it by studying white papers regarding human behavior.
But on the up side if you wish to pursue a career in quants, I see a bright future for you as a climate change researcher. :lol: :lol: :lol:
In order to make any real determinations, you need to know what penalties were called and just as important, what penalties weren't called, at what point in the game they were called, against what competition were they called, etc..
If you're really interested in the truth, You'd actually have a much better chance of arriving at it by studying white papers regarding human behavior.
But on the up side if you wish to pursue a career in quants, I see a bright future for you as a climate change researcher. :lol: :lol: :lol:
re: Question about the bias of SEC refs
Posted by BengalBeaux on 10/19/10 at 4:11 pm to WikiTiger
quote:Just because I don't care to beat my head up against the wall trying to find data for you to uphold or reject a quantifiable null hypothesis doesn't mean I wish to remain ignorant.
it seems like people would prefer to remain ignorant and cling to their emotion based stances that have no basis in fact.
Now, if you want to remain naive and believe that the good people of Alabama would never sway what goes on at the SEC offices located in their backyard, that's your prerogative.
Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining. :angry:
re: Question about the bias of SEC refs
Posted by BengalBeaux on 10/19/10 at 3:55 pm to WikiTiger
I think we got some calls in that game due to being #1 at the time and the SEC's best bet.
But it's not chronic the way it is with Bammer and the Barn. I think Bammer and the Barn consistently get the calls, and yes, primarily because of the SEC Headquarters location.
But it's not chronic the way it is with Bammer and the Barn. I think Bammer and the Barn consistently get the calls, and yes, primarily because of the SEC Headquarters location.
re: Question about the bias of SEC refs
Posted by BengalBeaux on 10/19/10 at 3:46 pm to Keltic Tiger
quote:Really now. It's just stupid to believe that the offices located in the middle of Bammer/Barner country wouldn't affect the mindset of officiating.
However, the SEC offices in Alabama argument is stupid.
Think about the corporate world, doesn't the location of companies have an effect on who gets hired, who gets promoted, who gets an outsourced contract? So, you think the SEC office is completely immune to locational bias. If so, you're very naive.
And by the way, think back when everyone near Baton Rouge was so up in arms about the BS replay booth ruling on PP's interception, or the 2006 Auburn fiasco. How would that have been handled if the SEC offices were in New Orleans? I assure you we wouldn't have been given "quit bothering me" pass off excuses like we were given because you'd start off with a mob scene on Poydras or wherever the SEC headquarters was located. Then every time the management people from the SEC office ventured out for lunch, church, etc., they'd feel the wrath of the community. Not saying it's right, just saying the way it would be.
And the Bammers and Barners are no nobler. Why do you think Bama got a formal apology from the SEC when they didn't get a PI call on Corey Webster in 2004, but LSU and Arkansas just gets BS? If they put out a BS excuse like they give us right in the middle of Alabama, I assure you their life would be much less pleasant.
You can run whatever stats you want to run, but I've been watching SEC football for over 40 years, Bammer has always gotten the calls. And now both Bammer and the Barn blatantly use the replay booth to cheat, yet the SEC office is "ball-less" to do anything about it because they don't want to be on the outs with their neighbors.
re: Refs on Plains = +10 for Auburn
Posted by BengalBeaux on 10/19/10 at 3:20 pm to Born to be a Tiger
JWTiger, Don't you find it at least a little wierd that a booth review in a meaningful game has never gone against Auburn?
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