re: Program of the Decade

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I'm talking about covering a period of 8 years, not one season.

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And over those 8 years, and 100+ games, you don't think there's enough difference in the strengths of the conferences to account for a 4 1/2 game difference in the win/loss column?

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Jesus you people are the biggest homers ever.

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Didn't you already say that?

YOU make me sick!

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I think it's whoever wins the 09 Championship game.
Are USC and LSU on a collision course for 09?

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I think if Tebow comes back Florida will be in the mix again for the '09 Championship.

I want the boy to leave, but I think he will pull a Leinart and stay his senior year.

I think USC losing a lot of talent on defense, which was supposed to be their strong suit this season. Plus you can always count on USC not showing up for at least one game a season, that will ultimatley ruin their NC hopes. I think UT may have a shot of making a serious run next season. UF will be touch to beat with Tebow as well.

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Any douchebag acting tough about an LSU fan selecting LSU can go to hell,IMO

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LSU fans are not the only ones who get to weigh in on this debate. There are fans of 119 other D-I universities. When polled, LSU will finish no higher than 3 and that's fair. If USC, LSU or UF win the MNC next season, they can claim the decade. But for now, it's USC #1, UF #2 and LSU a distant 3rd.

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I'm going by wins and losses as a measure of success.

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Then why isn't Boise State on your list?

None of SC, Texas, OU, OSU, UF or LSU have the most wins and fewest losses of this decade in all of football (I don't think any of us even have the most in Div. 1A).

Just going by wins is an extremist approach, that results in absurd conclusions if applied (like Concord De La Salle high school being the "Program of the Decade" ahead of SC, LSU and the Patriots). Any rational assessment must acknowledge the differences in competition. To ignore that is ultimately subjective because it inherently makes the subjective judgment that all competition is in fact equal.

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However, I can't say that we get a cookie and we're cast into top 2 of college footballs best programs because we play in the SEC and other teams play elsewhere.

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Then Boise has achieved more than the Patriots this decade? How absurd is that?

If competition level makes no difference, then why would your discussion only include major BCS conference teams, and ignore the dozens (if not hundreds) of teams out there with more wins and fewer losses?

Either you accept that level of competition is a factor, or you don't. If you don't, your assessment will very quickly run to the absurd. If you do, then it is irrational (and purely biased) to ignore a particular difference in competition level (e.g., the one between the SEC and the Pac 10) just because you have made the subjective judgment that it is somehow too small to be considered, while other differences in competition are still considered.

Florida

Without question, its easily USC

7 straight 11 win seasons
7 straight top 4 finishes
4 12 win seasons
2 NCs
3 Heismans

Year in and year out they play the toughest OOC schedule around and play anyone, anywhere, anytime. While other teams are lining up d1aa schools and falling off the map every other year, USC is not.

1 Florida
1a LSU

2 Boise State

3 Southern Cal
3.5 Utah

4 Oklahoma

5 Texas

6 Ohio State

approximately and somewhat on-the-fly estimate