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re: Pretty funny by Guilbeau

Posted on 11/13/11 at 10:05 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
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Posted on 11/13/11 at 10:05 pm to
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I understand what you are arguing but the 6 point thing you are harping on doesn't make much sense.


Say what? It's exactly how many points it took to get LSU to overtime.

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You can't assume that lsu would only need to score 6 pts in reg to win If both qbs had the opportunity to play all the snaps.


No. But you can't assume they wouldn't either.

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The situations would change. The game would be altered because of the performance of each qb.



True, could being the operative word which it has been since the first post in this tangent. LSU may have gotten into a shootout and the vertical passing game may have been necessary. We could go on an on with this.

The problem is you got so hung up thinking this was somehow dissing JJ you didn't stop to read anything thoroughly.
This post was edited on 11/13/11 at 10:07 pm
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 11/13/11 at 10:08 pm to
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it's not just about scoring 6 points. It's about winning the game.


These are not the same two things. Turnovers can lead to more points for the opponents. Also field position is very important in a game like that and maintaining drives (scrambing for first downs and having some success running options) are very important even if they don't directly lead to putting points up on the board. You want to give your opponent a long field to traverse and not give him a short field, as it is easier to score points on a short field (when the distance is less that you have to go for a score). Turnovers are important not only for giving up the ball to your opponent and taking away your chance to score but they also have field position implications.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297075 posts
Posted on 11/13/11 at 10:10 pm to
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These are not the same two things. Turnovers can lead to more points for the opponents. Also field position is very important in a game like that and maintaining drives (scrambing for first downs and having some success running options) are very important even if they don't directly lead to putting points up on the board. You want to give your opponent a long field to traverse and not give him a short field, as it is easier to score points on a short field (when the distance is less that you have to go for a score). Turnovers are important not only for giving up the ball to your opponent and taking away your chance to score but they also have field position implications.



And...." the point? Is this the right thread Are you still agreeing that LSU could have won this game with either QB?
This post was edited on 11/13/11 at 10:12 pm
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 11/13/11 at 10:12 pm to
Your insistence on nitpicking regarding the word "could" and trying to pretend as if others don't know the meaning makes you look really petty and ridiculous.

Obviously everyone realized that LSU could score 6 points had Jarrett Lee finished the game.

LSU could have lost to Oregon.
LSU could have lost to WVU.
LSU could lose to Ole Miss and Arkansas.

Lots of things could happen.

Your implication throughout has been pretty clear: you believe that if Jarrett Lee was left in the game, LSU would have found a way to score 6 points in regulation. You say, "we have no reason not to believe this." Despite the fact that the Lee's three drives resulted in 33 total yards and 2 INTs. We didn't get past their 40 while he was in. And one of those JJ came in an converted a 3rd and 1 with a QB sneak.

So let's stop talking about fantasies and "coulds" and speak to what we actually saw.

Is there reason to believe we wouldn't have scored 6 points had Jarrett Lee remained at QB vs. Alabama. Yes, in that game, there was reason to believe that.

Does that mean anything about Jarrett going forward? No.
Does that erase what he did over the first 8 games? No.

But you've taken this argument into nitpicking and discussing words like bias and could, telling posters how stupid they are and critiquing "comprehension" and you aren't even talking about football any more.

Plenty of people have tried to extend you respect in this thread, including myself, yet you continue to revert to namecalling and insults, which are the tale tell signs of someone who doesn't really have a sound argument or much of a leg to stand on.

I wish I could say you'd respond with an actual decent answer, but I already know this what your response will look like

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Obviously everyone realized that LSU could score 6 points had Jarrett Lee finished the game.


Good, we're getting somewhere.

So it's at all possible that this could happen? Great. That's my whole argument. Something could happen."

This post was edited on 11/13/11 at 10:13 pm
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 11/13/11 at 10:14 pm to
...and Guilbeau nailed it.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297075 posts
Posted on 11/13/11 at 10:15 pm to
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Your insistence on nitpicking regarding the word "could" and trying to pretend as if others don't know the meaning makes you look really petty and ridiculous.



You dumbass, its the whole fricking argument....

Dude you really just ought to quit. Everything you touch backfires. Do yourself a favor, and go back, reread before you make a fool of yourself again.
This post was edited on 11/13/11 at 10:16 pm
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16108 posts
Posted on 11/13/11 at 10:15 pm to
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BeeFense5


the way roger uses the word 'could 'is a little different than the way the ordinary person thinks of the word. Roger uses the word in a sentance: 'I could win the lottery tommorrow'. or 'lightening could stike me tommorrow'. whereas most people think of the word 'could' as something that has a more real and tangible possibility of happening.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297075 posts
Posted on 11/13/11 at 10:17 pm to
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the way roger uses the word 'could 'is a little different than the way the ordinary person thinks of the word.


yeah, when you get beat, change the meaning of words. Unfortunately the meaning doesn't really change. There really aren't that many meanings of the word.

This post was edited on 11/13/11 at 10:18 pm
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16108 posts
Posted on 11/13/11 at 10:20 pm to
it's just your supreme intelligence roger. The ordinary man can't think like you. Don't blame us.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 11/13/11 at 10:21 pm to
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You dumbass, its the whole fricking argument....


No. It's something stupid you started like 5 pages ago and continue to tell people how "stupid" they are (notice, you did it AGAIN) because they won't play your game.

Everything has context. From a broad perspective:

Could LSU be undefeated if JJ never played a snap? I could agree with that.
Could LSU be undefeated if Lee never played a snap? I could also agree with that.

In that specific game, knowing all we knew, of course it could have happened, but the probability was certainly not in our favor.

But you are unwilling to acknowledge anything but your narrow perspective and need to continue to insult everyone for telling you how mindless it is to continually state "could."

I'm not even insulting you when I say, you look like a fool in this thread. Because you've done it to yourself. Seriously, go back and read your posts in this thread alone from start to finish.

You started by saying what GG said was childish, turned into insulting many other posters, grandstanding about how much more you know (using the definition of the word bias as the example of your knowledge) and are now basing an entire argument (which has nothing to do with the OP, this article or anything really) on the fact that things COULD happen.

Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16108 posts
Posted on 11/13/11 at 10:23 pm to
so this whole arguement is based off of the meaning of the word 'could'. Not off of what was likely to happen or what had a reasonable chance of happening, just what was within the realm of possibility, no matter how long the odds.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297075 posts
Posted on 11/13/11 at 10:25 pm to
Oh please.

Funny, you have been arguing like hell and it appears you don't even know what you are arguing. It turns out you agree with me.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297075 posts
Posted on 11/13/11 at 10:26 pm to
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so this whole arguement is based off of the meaning of the word 'could'.



Do you want to go back and revisit the origins of this "argument?" You could have saved yourself a lot of time simply understanding what "can" and "could" mean.

LSU could be undefeated with both, and this is the central point that some of you argued against pages ago.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16108 posts
Posted on 11/13/11 at 10:27 pm to
so it was all just a ruse. You got me on that one. Good one Rodger.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86465 posts
Posted on 11/13/11 at 10:28 pm to
Not just a ruse, but an elaborate ruse.
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
42192 posts
Posted on 11/13/11 at 10:29 pm to
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LSU could be undefeated with both, and this is the central point that some of you argued against pages ago.


Could be undefeated with both qbs... Yes of course it was physically possible.

Was it realistic after what we were witnessing between the play of the two qbs in the bama game?..unlikely.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297075 posts
Posted on 11/13/11 at 10:29 pm to
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so it was all just a ruse. You got me on that one. Good one Rodger.



I pondered your sanity. For sure. I think your actual problem should be with the people who argued against it to begin with.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 11/13/11 at 10:31 pm to
What's sad is that what you originally said was that JJ did "nothing that JL couldn't do against Bama."

That's your quote. You really said that. THAT was where this "argument" started.

And it was so stupid and illogical you turned it into a debate about the word could, which has resulted in you abusing the English language.

I'm not going to open this thread anymore, because the shite you are posting has reached newer and more pathetic levels than I thought even you were capable of.

Good night.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297075 posts
Posted on 11/13/11 at 10:32 pm to
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Could be undefeated with both qbs... Yes of course it was physically possible.





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Was it realistic after what we were witnessing between the play of the two qbs in the bama game?..unlikely.


Neither are great QB's but both are capable of playing decent at times. With the right game plan, LSU could be undefeated with Rueben Randle at QB, most likely. It hasn't been an difference making position in many of the games.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297075 posts
Posted on 11/13/11 at 10:33 pm to
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What's sad is that what you originally said was that JJ did "nothing that JL couldn't do against Bama."

That's your quote. You really said that. THAT was where this "argument" started.




You are lying again. You can't help yourself. You are making a fool of yourself yet again.

Here is the quote. I will do the work for you so you can't lie again.

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What did JJ do in the Bama game JL couldn't have done to win the game?

Both can win it all, LSU can with it with either/or. Just need the right offense in place.

This post was edited on 11/13/11 at 10:39 pm
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