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Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:57 am to LNCHBOX
That’s not spin. If you would take the time to even read a tiny bit of the information that’s already been posted, you would see this happens all the time
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:57 am to OhioTiger
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Dude, you’re making a fool of yourself. You obviously have no clue how our legal system works.
You better alert my local bar association.
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Innocent people plead guilty to some type of charge every single day in nearly every county in the country.
I never said they didn’t.
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Fact is, a single judge (not a jury) decides the fate of these juveniles.
I’ll at least give you credit for understanding it’s a bench trial, and not a jury retail in juvenile court.
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along with the promise of the entire case being sealed as if it never happened after 5 years
For the 50th time today, this happened regardless of whether it’s a plea bargain or a conviction by the judge.
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I’d bet the parents of the 10 of 12 mentioned above that were found guilty wish they would have decided differently. They never stood a chance.
Or maybe they were guilty and were foolish enough to roll the dice at trial. You can find the telephone number of any public defender in your area, give them a call and ask them how often they have clients that refuse to take a plea deal, regardless of the overwhelming evidence against them. You may be surprised by the response.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:57 am to LNCHBOX
quote:Dude, I honestly cant believe this is your simple minded take
There is no planet where that makes sense..... if your son is actually innocent.
Ill pose this to you
You are married with kids. You are accused of rape and you are 100% innocent. But your lawyer says he thinks you will lose the case because it’s just a he said/she said and the judge your case is being heard by has an extremely high rate of ruling guilty.
Your wife believes you and yells you to take the plea so you don’t miss 5 years of your life with your kids. Your family and loved ones already beleive you, so there is nothing to prove to them
You are going to trial with absolutely zero thought as to taking the plea and going home to your kids?
And keep in mind you are an adult making this fricking hard hypothetical decision, not a 15 year old
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:58 am to LNCHBOX
quote:I gave you the two options. You are being very simple minded about this. This situation has context and nuance. I understand that that may be difficult for you to comprehend.
An innocent person goes to trial and proves their innocence. You kinda left out the most logical option.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:58 am to LNCHBOX
So you’re saying having one single human being decide someone’s fate is fair? That’s just someone playing God.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:59 am to ell_13
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I gave you the two options. You are being very simple minded about this.
Says the guy that left out the option of being innocent
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This situation has context and nuance. I understand that that may be difficult for you to comprehend.
Some things are as simple as if you said you did it, you did it.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:59 am to logjamming
quote:You're ignoring the 592 who take the plea deal. They weren't all guilty and there's zero evidence in this case other than the mother's word which we know changed multiple times.
Or maybe they were guilty and were foolish enough to roll the dice at trial. You can find the telephone number of any public defender in your area, give them a call and ask them how often they have clients that refuse to take a plea deal, regardless of the overwhelming evidence against them. You may be surprised by the response.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:59 am to OhioTiger
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So you’re saying having one single human being decide someone’s fate is fair? That’s just someone playing God.
You're accusing me of saying a lot of things I didn't say.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 10:59 am to LNCHBOX
quote:respond to my hypothetical
LNCHBOX
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:00 am to lsupride87
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You are married with kids. You are accused of rape and you are 100% innocent. But your lawyer says he thinks you will lose the case because it’s just a he said/she said and the judge your case is being heard by has an extremely high rate of ruling guilty.
Your wife believes you and yells you to take the plea so you don’t miss 5 years of your life with your kids. Your family and loved ones already beleive you, so there is nothing to prove to them
You are going to trial with absolutely zero thought as to taking the plea and going home to your kids?
No way in hell do I take a plea if I'm 100% innocent.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:01 am to LNCHBOX
quote:Did you miss the option of going to trial? Innocent people are found guilty at trial all the time. It's a risk. With the plea deal, you know your future and in this case, it was one where no one was supposed to know. He gets to stop registering at 21. And he gets to have a relatively normal life outside of the probation and therapy neither of which seemed to be necessary based on the court documents and therapist notes.
Says the guy that left out the option of being innocent
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:02 am to ell_13
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Did you miss the option of going to trial? Innocent people are found guilty at trial all the time. It's a risk. With the plea deal, you know your future and in this case, it was one where no one was supposed to know. He gets to stop registering at 21. And he gets to have a relatively normal life outside of the probation and therapy neither of which seemed to be necessary based on the court documents and therapist notes.
How would he have been found guilty if yall are so sure of his innocence?
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:02 am to LNCHBOX
quote:I just dont beleive you at all that you wouldnt seriously be considering it
No way in hell do I take a plea if I'm 100% innocent.
Your fricking lawyer is telling you that you will likely lose. The plea gets you home to your family and kids who already beleive you. They will also be begging you to take the deal
It takes alot of pride and hubris to not seriosuly consider the plea
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:03 am to lsupride87
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Your fricking lawyer is telling you that you will likely lose
Then I would get a better lawyer
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The plea gets you home to your family and kids who already beleive you. They will also be begging you to take the deal
It takes alot of pride and hubris to not seriosuly consider the plea
I choose being innocent and keeping my job and whatnot. You act like the plea is some magic thing that has no bad effect on your life.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:03 am to LNCHBOX
quote:How was Chauvin found guilty of murder when you told us for over a year how obviously innocent he was?
How would he have been found guilty if yall are so sure of his innocence?
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:04 am to logjamming
lol You’re not a lawyer! Damn, that’s not even up for debate after the comments you’ve made on here. I hope you know you can get into serious trouble for pretending to be one though!
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:04 am to lsupride87
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How was Chauvin found guilty of murder when you told us for over a year how obviously innocent he was?
I would love for you to back this claim up.
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:04 am to LNCHBOX
quote:IN THIS SPECIFIC CASE IT WAS 100% THAT
You act like the plea is some magic thing that has no bad effect on your life.
It literally completely reset his life to normal besides the therapy. Only the criminal actions of the state later changed that
Posted on 6/10/21 at 11:05 am to lsupride87
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IN THIS SPECIFIC CASE IT WAS 100% THAT
Well that's not really relevant to your hypothetical, so which scenarios are discussing?
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