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Posted on 9/10/21 at 1:54 pm to musictiger
Yes I would like them to show out, but the university is leaving us behind with the get on board or get out. So I have zero animosity for the people that are bailing, I was forced to get the vaccine or lose my job. I have to much to lose to not conform but I will never always resent it and can't wait to retire
Posted on 9/10/21 at 1:55 pm to musictiger
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Like what if the virus actually was a real thing that has already killed 600,000 Americans. How would you ever know?
I'd guess i'd actually see bodies in the steets like the "news" has been fear mongering for over a year.
So you're admitting that the virus isn't really that deadly and the protocols are political theater?
Posted on 9/10/21 at 1:55 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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I feel sorry for people who really believe this. I do.
IF this was about safety, there's a laundry list of things they should also be doing besides limiting freedoms of tax paying citizens.
Releasing prisoners (that raped and killed again) and allowing illegals to flow in by the thousands daily are just two examples of why you are beyond help.
Ok, well this is obviously a red herring. I have no idea what you are talking about with the prisoners and the illegals. What are you even talking about sincerely? I know nothing of this program you speak of about a systematic influx of illegals but I find it hard to believe the death toll has even touched the Covid death toll.
I'd rather ask you about the issue at hand though, not whatever that is you're speaking of. Are you anti-vaccine or just anti-mandate. Like do you believe vaccines work in general?
Posted on 9/10/21 at 1:58 pm to musictiger
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I have no idea what you are talking about with the prisoners and the illegals. What are you even talking about sincerely?
Are you serious? All through 2020 felons were released from jails all across the country to minimize the spread of Covid in prisons. Also since January of 21 the number of illegal aliens crossing the border has sky rocketed, many of them are Covid positive and being redistributed to major cities in red states across the country.
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Are you anti-vaccine or just anti-mandate.
Anti-mandate
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Like do you believe vaccines work in general?
Vaccines are a miracle of science and I honestly believe this new technology of mRNA vaccines has the possibility to be world changing for the good.
The data is out there how few vaccinated end up in the hospital. Be open and honest about the numbers and let people make their own decisions.
This post was edited on 9/10/21 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 9/10/21 at 2:01 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
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I'd guess i'd actually see bodies in the steets like the "news" has been fear mongering for over a year.
So you're admitting that the virus isn't really that deadly and the protocols are political theater?
Ok, but 600,000 over a year and a half is not "bodies in the streets" kind of numbers. No one has been claiming that's whats happening. Those number are far more than flu deaths though. It's really not even close deathvalley freak. I want to quote you some numbers but I'm afraid you'll dismiss them immediately because I got them from some news source.
There's also the concern of covid long haul. Where people who have gotten it (people I know)... have these symptoms that won't go away. That has never been the case with the flu.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 2:01 pm to musictiger
This website is an embarrassment
Posted on 9/10/21 at 2:02 pm to musictiger
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Ok I hear you but masks are not required for children under 5 or adults over 12.
...and this makes sense to you? Trust the science!
Posted on 9/10/21 at 2:05 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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I have no idea what you are talking about with the prisoners and the illegals. What are you even talking about sincerely?
Are you serious? All through 2020 felons were released from jails all across the country to minimize the spread of Covid in prisons. Also since January of 21 the number of illegal aliens crossing the border has sky rocketed, many of them are Covid positive and being redistributed to major cities in red states across the country.
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Are you anti-vaccine or just anti-mandate.
Anti-mandate
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Like do you believe vaccines work in general?
Vaccines are a miracle of science and I honestly believe this new technology of mRNA vaccines has the possibility to be world changing for the good.
The data is out there how few vaccinated end up in the hospital. Be open and honest about the numbers and let people make their own decisions.
This is good to read OilField... the prisoners released were non-violent to my knowledge....
If the US wasn't experiencing over 1500 deaths every single day I'd be totally with you in regards to giving people the freedom to decide. But because of those deaths that continue persistently, it's now impeding on MY freedom. Shouldn't I be free to live in a world without covid. We both know that if we just "present the data" and leave it up to people what's going to happen. It's going to keep spreading then theres going to be another variant etc. It's never ending.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 2:05 pm to musictiger
Follow the money. It’s why they’ll be pushing boosters, delta vax, epsilon vax, etc etc.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 2:06 pm to White Tiger
Well, the 650,000 deaths in the USA alone should give us a clue it’s a deadly virus,
Posted on 9/10/21 at 2:07 pm to Genestealer55
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Follow the money. It’s why they’ll be pushing boosters, delta vax, epsilon vax, etc etc.
Gene, I hear you but may I ask in your opinion how would we know if there was actually a situation where it wasn't a giant pharmaceutical conspiracy? Like how would things look different in an alternate reality where there actually was a deadly pandemic that was killing 1500 Americans every day but we were dealing with a huge chunk of the country who didn't buy it and were refusing the vaccine?
Posted on 9/10/21 at 2:08 pm to musictiger
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Those number are far more than flu deaths though
So... let's talk about that for a sec. What are the flu death numbers from 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021?
Posted on 9/10/21 at 2:08 pm to musictiger
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reputable news outlet
this term is foreign to me. What exactly is it??
Posted on 9/10/21 at 2:09 pm to musictiger
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There's also the concern of covid long haul. Where people who have gotten it (people I know)... have these symptoms that won't go away. That has never been the case with the flu.
I'll play your game- At what point does everyone get there freedom back again? You're telling me people are just going to have to wear a mask everywhere for the rest of time? you're going to have to show your vax papers everywhere you go? That's not America and if you think that's okay then you can go frick youself.
I am vaxxed BTW but refuse to show my "Papers" to anyone for entry anywhere. It's none of their fricking business.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 2:11 pm to musictiger
Not all we’re non-violent and many still were released before their time was effectively served.
How many people does from non-hereditary heart disease or diabetes that is a direct result of poor diet and lifestyle choices? I know these diseases are not communicable but the number of people that die from them dwarfs the Covid deaths. Are you for restricting/mandating life style choices that increase risk/decrease risk?
You have no right to live in a world without the possibility of deadly, communicable diseases. This is a corona virus, a virus that belongs to a family of highly communicable, highly infectious, yet overwhelmingly non-lethal viruses. Too my knowledge, we have never eliminated or eradicated a corona virus in the history of medicine.
There will ALWAYS be another variant due to what i said before. Always. It’s time to put the responsibility of each persons health at his own feet and let life continue.
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the US wasn't experiencing over 1500 deaths every single day I'd be totally with you in regards to giving people the freedom to decide. But because of those deaths that continue persistently, it's now impeding on MY freedom. Shouldn't I be free to live in a world without covid. We both know that if we just "present the data" and leave it up to people what's going to happen. It's going to keep spreading then theres going to be another variant etc. It's never ending.
How many people does from non-hereditary heart disease or diabetes that is a direct result of poor diet and lifestyle choices? I know these diseases are not communicable but the number of people that die from them dwarfs the Covid deaths. Are you for restricting/mandating life style choices that increase risk/decrease risk?
You have no right to live in a world without the possibility of deadly, communicable diseases. This is a corona virus, a virus that belongs to a family of highly communicable, highly infectious, yet overwhelmingly non-lethal viruses. Too my knowledge, we have never eliminated or eradicated a corona virus in the history of medicine.
There will ALWAYS be another variant due to what i said before. Always. It’s time to put the responsibility of each persons health at his own feet and let life continue.
This post was edited on 9/10/21 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 9/10/21 at 2:11 pm to omarlittle
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So... let's talk about that for a sec. What are the flu death numbers from 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021?
This is according to the CDC: estimates per year...
2017-2018 ... 61,000
2018-2019 ... 34,000
2019-2020 ... 22,000
Posted on 9/10/21 at 2:12 pm to musictiger
the OP is extremely naive, on multiple issues.
Posted on 9/10/21 at 2:13 pm to musictiger
quote:You won't get an answer. He's too naive to have one other than it's the in-thing to say.
Why do you think they are pushing the vaccine then?
Posted on 9/10/21 at 2:14 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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How many people does from non-hereditary heart disease or diabetes that is a direct result of poor diet and lifestyle choices? I know these diseases are not communicable but the number of people that die from them dwarfs the Covid deaths. Are you for restricting/mandating life style choices that increase risk/decrease risk?
You have no right to live in a world without the possibility of deadly, communicable diseases. This is a corona virus, a virus that belongs to a family of highly communicable, highly infectious, yet overwhelmingly non-lethal viruses. Too my knowledge, we have never eliminated or eradicated a corona virus in the history of medicine.
There will ALWAYS be another variant due to what i said before. Always. It’s time to put the responsibility of each persons health at his own feet and let life continue.
Ok, I mean I'm with you. But I think you hit the nail on the head with those not being contagious conditions. I'm not some authoritarian liberal who wants to live in a world where we get into the business of mandating everyones health. But I do believe that I shouldn't have to rely on others to make healthy decisions. My health cannot be at my own feet in this current world for reasons you are aware of. But I appreciate your takes oil field biology and wish you the best.
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