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Posted on 5/12/14 at 7:06 pm to TIGRLEE
quote:More NFL talent coming in, is going to mean more NFL out. The raw talent will just have to outplay the more experienced Sr "scrubs".
It's the number we have leaving that's potentially problematic for success of the team.
The signing rate has been pretty good and nothing LSU can offer legally will deter.
It's like bitchin about taxes.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 7:13 pm to Mayhawman
That's true.
Actually it increase chances of teams like ole miss and miss state ect that get decent players and have experience to make it to Atlanta.
Catch a year where top teams lose a lot and they bring lots players back.... Sorta like 2014
Actually it increase chances of teams like ole miss and miss state ect that get decent players and have experience to make it to Atlanta.
Catch a year where top teams lose a lot and they bring lots players back.... Sorta like 2014
Posted on 5/12/14 at 7:37 pm to TIGRLEE
quote:Not likely.
Actually it increase chances of teams like ole miss and miss state ect that get decent players and have experience to make it to Atlanta.
Last 4 drafts: Aubie is the outlier, but talent pretty much defines the SEC pecking order.
(Courtesy ESPN)
The teams are listed in order of their total draft choices:
Alabama: 29 draft choices, 13 first-rounders, 18 in top three rounds (49-5)
Georgia: 26 draft choices, 3 first-rounders, 9 in top three rounds (36-18)
LSU: 26 draft choices, 5 first-rounders, 17 in top three rounds (43-10)
Florida: 23 draft choices, 6 first-rounders, 13 in top three rounds (39-14)
South Carolina: 17 draft choices, 2 first-rounders, 5 in top three rounds (38-15)
Tennessee: 13 draft choices, 3 first-rounders, 6 in top three rounds (23-27)
Arkansas: 12 draft choices, 0 first-rounders, 3 in top three rounds (33-18)
Mississippi State: 12 draft choices, 2 first-rounders, 5 in top three rounds (28-22)
Texas A&M: 11 draft choices, 3 first-rounders, 5 in top three rounds (33-19)
Auburn: 8 draft choices, 2 first-rounders, 4 in top three rounds (33-19)
Kentucky: 7 draft choices, 0 first-rounders, 3 in top three rounds (20-30)
Missouri: 7 draft choices, 4 first-rounders, 6 in top three rounds (31-20)
Ole Miss: 6 draft choices, 0 first-rounders, 2 in top three rounds (22-28)
Vanderbilt: 6 draft choices, 0 first-rounders, 2 in top three rounds (19-31)
Posted on 5/12/14 at 7:47 pm to Mayhawman
Certainly doesn't hurt their chances.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 8:12 pm to monsterballads
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Jernigan from FSU failed too and want in the 2nd too
yeah, but Jernigan had good production, good game tape, a good combine, and was rated a first round pick. Freak had mediocre at best production, worse game tape, a poor combine, and was rated 4th or 5th round.
Had he blown up at the combine like we all thought and didn't fail a drug test, he'd probably be in the third round, fourth at worst.
This post was edited on 5/12/14 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 5/12/14 at 8:56 pm to tenderfoot tigah
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Now Freak has a hard time st landing a job and no Degree
He can always come back to school (he'll just have to pay his own way). I wonder why you think that's the end of it? You do realize than Les Miles has one of the highest graduation rates in the SEC don't you?
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vs 1st round in 1 more year.
You have a huge amount of faith to believe he'd jump from undrafted to first.
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These guys leaving as non first rounders has to stop.
Landry and Hill were given 2nd round grades before they left, Ego was given a 3rd round grade.
Ego was drafted 51, the guy last year at that spot got a 3.85 mill contract and 1.18 mill signing bonus.
Hill was drafted 55, the guy last year at that position got a 3.62 mill contract and 1.01 mill signing bonus
Landry was drafted 63, the guy last year at that position got a 3.12 mill contract and a 703k signing bonus.
Immediately after these guys signed last year, without doing any work, they were cut a check for 1.18 mill, 1.01 mill, and 703k. If somebody told you that they'll give you 700 thousand dollars or a million dollars before you do a job, if you just leave school one year early, you wouldn't do it?
After taxes, just on signing bonus alone, these guys will still have more money than you'd make 5-10 years out of college on your none taxed salary. Hell the 700k, after it's taxed money, will be close to a regular school teacher's 10 years worth salary before tax.
A guy in the middle of the second round will make more money in four years (not including endorsements, incentives, percentage from jersey sales etc) than a guy with a 100k job will in 65 years. Le'veon Bell will get a total payout of a little over 6.5 mill including signing bonus, but excluding the stuff I wrote in caption. I say if you have good production, and you are given a top 3 round grade, and you know you don't do drugs, then there is no question that you should go. You can come back and finish your degree when you want. Hell, Edwards who was drafted in the 5th round (back up DE from LSU last year), made over 550 thousand dollars before taxes and not including extras.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:07 pm to Datbayoubengal
too much cash to not dash for the finish line...why did they come to LSU or any power conference skool...coaching, recognition, and PT...after three years, time to dash for cash!!!
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:33 pm to Mayhawman
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LSU: 26 draft choices, 5 first-rounders, 17 in top three rounds (43-10
You mean LSU has survived to the tune of 44-9 during this trying four year period when some talent dared to leave LSU early?
Yeah, seems as if we should really be worried about this stuff.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:37 pm to 2geaux
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Is it money, bad advice, family?
Education and strong family
Posted on 5/13/14 at 8:16 am to LSU Groupee
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You mean LSU has survived to the tune of 44-9 during this trying four year period when some talent dared to leave LSU early? Yeah, seems as if we should really be worried about this stuff.
Perpetually stupid is no way to go through life son. Of course we've survived. The record clearly indicates that...thanks again CPT. Obvious.
That's not the point. The point is that it does hurt our chances to win another NC. I know that doesn't mean anything to you. It's not like that's one of the team's goals or anything each year. As long as we get our "10 wins" you're good...I get it.
Some Tiger fans though, and I'm just spit-balling here, might actually like to see the team and coach win another NC in the next few years. Isn't that just the craziest notion?
Posted on 5/13/14 at 8:28 am to RedTigerRulz
I'm not sure why that is such a difficult concept for some of these people to understand.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 10:11 am to RedTigerRulz
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The point is that it does hurt our chances to win another NC.
No you dumazz, the point is EVERY outstanding fricking team has player losses from one year to the next to the NFL draft. Losing talent to the NFL is a fact of life for the LSU's of the world. Bitching about it like a two year old having his bottle taken away is about as stupid and useless a fricking thing as you can do. The only thing worse is to act as if LSU should be able to do something to prevent our players from taking $500,000 offers because you don't like how it effects LSU football. How fricking hard headed are you to complain on and on over something that NO ONE in college football can prevent?
As long as we have Miles bringing in NFL early round talented players, we will have some leaving early. If that disturbs you as much as your posting in this thread shows, maybe you need to became a Vandy or Miss. St. fan.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 10:23 am to LSU Groupee
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Bitching about it like a two year old having his bottle taken away is about as stupid and useless a fricking thing as you can do.
Stating that it diminishes our chances of winning a NC is bitching? You really are a simple dolt.
Here's a question for you Poindexter. If the players "love" playing for Miles so much then why are they bolting so quickly at first opportunity?
Can he not inspire a few of them periodically to stick around and play for a championship when the pieces are there to do so?
Posted on 5/13/14 at 10:37 am to 2geaux
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They would surely improve their draft stock with an additional year of college play.
This is where guys like you consistently go wrong. Anthony Johnson hasn't improved his draft stock since he was in the 11th grade. What makes you think he'd have improved it this year?
Most of the LSU players who left early and went undrafted would have been undrafted a year later. They weren't getting bigger or faster, and they weren't going to show anything on the field that they hadn't already.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 10:54 am to RedTigerRulz
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. If the players "love" playing for Miles so much then why are they bolting so quickly at first opportunity?
We have our winner! I knew you or one of your crowd would finally come out and blame Miles for talented LSU players who want to go to the NFL for their own good reasons.
And you wonder why I call you a negative Nancy.
If you are confused as to why players want to jump on an NFL paycheck, I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain it to you, Mr. Clueless!
Posted on 5/13/14 at 11:03 am to LSU Groupee
Twist and deflect....typical SOP. The question still stands....feel free to answer anytime you want.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 11:09 am to RedTigerRulz
He did answer. Most of these guys are poor and the minimum salary is $420,000, if they make the cut. Why does Freak believe he will make a team, instead of playing the one more year he needed? Same reason AJ thought he would he a high pick, and still believes he will be a starter in 2 years...they hear what they want to hear.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 11:21 am to TIGRLEE
I get it but the reality is we are going to have to do it with a young team. There's no more big rookie contracts so the sooner in the league, the sooner a bigger contract year 5. What Coach Miles and staff can do is figure out an effective way of communicating to juniors there odds are slim, unless you're an Odell. Also, some way of taking all this TV money and using it to objectively assess players with one more year of eligibility and issuing a reasonable insurance policy in case of injury. I know it's pie in the sky, but at least a conversation can be had.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 11:30 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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What Coach Miles and staff can do is figure out an effective way of communicating to juniors there odds are slim, unless you're an Odell. Also, some way of taking all this TV money and using it to objectively assess players with one more year of eligibility and issuing a reasonable insurance policy in case of injury. I know it's pie in the sky, but at least a conversation can be had.
I'm all for any of this...despite how remote the chances would be.
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