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re: Players Comment on Craig's Firing

Posted on 2/2/17 at 7:49 pm to
Posted by lsutigermall
Plantation Trace
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Posted on 2/2/17 at 7:49 pm to
Change without input or even worse, communication, is always perceived as a threat. These kids have no depth of the situation and really need to learn a life lesson here.
Posted by Surv1vor1st
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2009
1654 posts
Posted on 2/2/17 at 7:53 pm to
quote:

you don't openly criticize your boss


Says who?
Posted by lsutigermall
Plantation Trace
Member since Nov 2006
7301 posts
Posted on 2/2/17 at 7:56 pm to
LINK

Just looking this stuff up. We should cut our losses right now. Maybe Brennan can mentor these guys - maybe
Posted by lsutigermall
Plantation Trace
Member since Nov 2006
7301 posts
Posted on 2/2/17 at 8:05 pm to
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Why does it look bad? Do you know why they were disciplined/fired? Maybe something happened during recruiting and they couldn't be let go in the middle of recruiting season. I know Craig was being talked about for other jobs. Was he looking for other jobs while he was supposedly recruiting? Hell, something happened.


This
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20504 posts
Posted on 2/2/17 at 8:11 pm to
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you don't openly criticize your boss


Says who?


Says common sense.
Posted by PaulT78
Lake Charles
Member since Aug 2013
454 posts
Posted on 2/2/17 at 8:18 pm to
Very low! They used him to get recruits there and then to fire him once kid signs is crap. Karma is a mofo!
Posted by Number 31
St. Tammany
Member since Jul 2016
4178 posts
Posted on 2/2/17 at 8:44 pm to
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This isn't the pussified corporate world where you have to get written up and counseled 300 times before you can get terminated.


Know how I know you've never worked at any for-profit corporation?

The "pussified world" you speak of where a person can "get written up and counseled 300 times" before being terminated exists in only three very interconnected sectors:
1. Government (specifically bureaucracies);
2. Academia (primarily teachers and faculty); and
3. Labor Unions (legal loopholes for mass-extortion and racketeering).

If you can't do your job right in the corporate world your boss won't hesitate to replace you with somebody who can.

If that's too much pressure for you, get a job working for the government or in education.
This post was edited on 2/2/17 at 8:46 pm
Posted by Mulerider
Member since Jul 2013
1615 posts
Posted on 2/2/17 at 9:31 pm to
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Im sure you see players criticizing Saban on social media right? No you know why cuz he's proven that he knows what he's doing. They are in the championship or championship contention every year.


That's what I said nimrod. The other jackass said that kids should be allowed to criticize the coaching without punishment or we would not be able to get good players. My point was that Bama gets pretty good players and not one of them would dare do what the idiot Dee Anderson just did.

Posted by DontCare
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2012
2516 posts
Posted on 2/2/17 at 9:34 pm to
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Make the staff changes at the end of the season

It's a cheap move, whether you want to admit it or not

It looks bad in a knee-jerk sort of way, but what would be the appropriate amount of time to pass? If he'd waited one week like Les did with Ball last year? Maybe he should've waited till just before spring practice started, but that could've been contemptuous to the players, too. Maybe he should've waited till the end of spring practice, but that also could've upset the players. Maybe he should've waited till summer, but that could hurt all the summer camps and recruiting. Ad infinitum.

The fact is that it's never pleasant when someone loses their job, but it happens. Had they both been let go before NSD, it would've hurt recruiting and being that O's known as a good recruiter, a poor class would've caused even more derision from the fan base, a contingent of whom are already anti-O.

Regardless of the optics, getting the HC gig at LSU is a huge second-chance for him. I don't fault the guy for making decisions that he thinks need to be made to do the best job he can. And Canada deserves the chance to have input on his position coaches, which this now affords them with a head start on other teams who haven't made coaching changes yet, but will.

As for the speculation about why Craig was let go, all I know is that it isn't a good look for news to break that the recruiting coordinator is being considered for another job at a power-5 school so close to NSD. If I were O, I'd be pissed about that.
Posted by Stephen1979
Member since Oct 2016
5754 posts
Posted on 2/2/17 at 9:37 pm to
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It looks bad in a knee-jerk sort of way,


Totally disagree. It looks like O had a plan and the second he could move on it, he did. He's not fricking around. He's obviously got something in mind. Why waste time in doing what's inevitable. Just fricking do it.

Glad to see O make these moves
Posted by Julie Tiger
Meadville, MS
Member since Oct 2016
59 posts
Posted on 2/2/17 at 9:55 pm to
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Very low! They used him to get recruits there and then to fire him once kid signs is crap. Karma is a mofo!


Les fired Tony Ball the weekend after signing day last year so he could hire Craig. I don't remember that being considered "low". This is when assistants get fired in college football. Always has been. Grow up.
Posted by DallasTiger45
Member since May 2012
8655 posts
Posted on 2/2/17 at 10:15 pm to
Coaches leave after signing day. We have a new head coach and offensive coordinator...it would have been surprising if no coaches had been fired/left
Posted by Surv1vor1st
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2009
1654 posts
Posted on 2/3/17 at 7:55 am to
This is not an employee/employer relationship. Sure they get a scholarship but they don't get a paycheck.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
59024 posts
Posted on 2/3/17 at 9:55 am to
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It is very low rent to fire them the day after NSD. I know it happens all the time, and I'm critical when other schools do it, so I'll be critical when LSU does it.
This,

I think it just goes to show what we have in store.

I just don't understand, Miles would've just had him find another job if he needed him to move on. Avoiding all the drama.
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12350 posts
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:03 am to
quote:

geesh what a shite show.


Not really. It's not unusual and O has the right to hire his own staff. We don't know the behind the scenes stuff. I am sure O has an upgrade in mind.

quote:

It is very low rent to fire them the day after NSD.

I know it happens all the time, and I'm critical when other schools do it, so I'll be critical when LSU does it.



It happened under the salnted Les Miles also. When a new CEO takes over, he shakes things up. Craig and Juluke were getting paid handsomely by LSU to do a job. They did it. They are owed the remaining amount on their contracts and nothing more. It's business.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
59024 posts
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:11 am to
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It happened under the salnted Les Miles also.
when?

When did we fire a coach, the day after signing day, unannounced to the players that it affected and have a twitter barrage of crap?
Posted by BDJ
Texas
Member since Jul 2016
2135 posts
Posted on 2/3/17 at 10:35 am to
You are one dense frick aren't ya. And probably a hypocrit.

If he let them go a week ago and we lose recruits due to it, you would be saying O needs to be fired for not waiting til the recruits were locked in. Nothing this staff does will please you whiny little bitches. Pure bitches. Always crying about anything and everything. It has to get old at some point.

The bottom line is this. Miles was fired because he wasn't getting the job done. Alleva gave him a chance to right the ship.

These two were let go because they didn't get the job done. O gave them a chance to pull in their targets and they didn't get them. Guidry (yes it's a recruiters job to give them positive reinforcement for school. You get the point across about how vital it is to perform well in school), Smith, Ruggs, Ausbon, all misses. When they didn't get the job done, they were let go.

This is no different than any other career where results drives success. They simply didn't get it done.
This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 10:37 am
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
59024 posts
Posted on 2/3/17 at 11:41 am to
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If he let them go a week ago and we lose recruits due to it, you would be saying O needs to be fired for not waiting til the recruits were locked in. Nothing this staff does will please you whiny little bitches. Pure bitches. Always crying about anything and everything. It has to get old at some point.
what the hell are you talking about?

If you cant stay on point, just step away? This whole debate thing may not be for you.

quote:

These two were let go because they didn't get the job done. O gave them a chance to pull in their targets and they didn't get them. Guidry (yes it's a recruiters job to give them positive reinforcement for school. You get the point across about how vital it is to perform well in school), Smith, Ruggs, Ausbon, all misses. When they didn't get the job done, they were let go.
A good executive has faith in his employees (good or bad) and doesn't let the results of one day let them obtain or fall out of favor. So if that is NOT the case, it was a little disingenuous to the current players and recruits to not cut Craig lose when he was hired.

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The bottom line is this. Miles was fired because he wasn't getting the job done. Alleva gave him a chance to right the ship.
Ok, once again, what does that have to do with anything?

Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
5260 posts
Posted on 2/3/17 at 12:04 pm to
Wasn't Craig looking for other positions about a month ago?
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12350 posts
Posted on 2/5/17 at 7:24 am to
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When did we fire a coach, the day after signing day, u

Miles fired Tony Ball last year within a few days of NSD. I am pretty sure it has happened before as well.
It's just not that unusual.
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