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re: Pitching Staff
Posted on 2/14/10 at 4:55 pm to LsuTool
Posted on 2/14/10 at 4:55 pm to LsuTool
Because if can duplicate his production that would show it wasn't just a fluke. On top of that every other player is expected to get better from their freshman to sophomore year but according to you guys this doesn't apply to Ott.
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Posted on 2/14/10 at 4:57 pm to WestCoastTigah
I'm actually not even looking at the number of saves he had, I'm looking at everything else.
K/BB ratio
BA against
WHIP
None of that has anything to do with how good the team is.
As far as the stupid Hoffman/Gagne comparisons, if you're only looking at the total number of saves, it isn't surprising they would still have a bunch while playing on terrible teams. Bad teams can still win 70 games in the majors, and most of them will be close so the closer still gets his chances.
K/BB ratio
BA against
WHIP
None of that has anything to do with how good the team is.
As far as the stupid Hoffman/Gagne comparisons, if you're only looking at the total number of saves, it isn't surprising they would still have a bunch while playing on terrible teams. Bad teams can still win 70 games in the majors, and most of them will be close so the closer still gets his chances.
Posted on 2/14/10 at 5:00 pm to WestCoastTigah
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Because if can duplicate his production that would show it wasn't just a fluke
What if our offense is better than last season, you wouldnt question whether or not our offense didnt carry him again this season? Why not?
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On top of that every other player is expected to get better from their freshman to sophomore year but according to you guys this doesn't apply to Ott.
Yea, If he doenst get 22 saves, a 100 to 3 K to BB ratio, and a sub zero ERA we should cut his arse for not "getting better"
Posted on 2/14/10 at 5:01 pm to WestCoastTigah
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That is not the only reason why. I have said it a thousand times Bradshaw should be a spot pitcher with his lack of velocity and mediocre off speed stuff however he isn't. Ott tries to overpower people with his decent fastball too much as well. He will be exposed this season you can bank on it. The only thing Bradshaw is good for IMO is middle to long relief.
You simply don't know what you are talking about.
Bradshaw has a plus changeup...it's his best pitch by far.
Ott's fastball has a lot of movement. But he doesn't try to overpower hitters. He spots the fastball and puts guys away (on average 1.5 per inning pitched) with his plus slider.
You'd think a guy who speaks so absolutely about things would know this.
Posted on 2/14/10 at 5:01 pm to WestCoastTigah
On the season he had 6 walks and 69 strikeouts. Which isn't particulay surprising to me since a closer should have near zero walks. They go into the game they have the lead they are going to pitch right to guys so there is no reason for walks. One stat that doe concern me is that in his 50 innings pitched he allowed 46 hits.
Posted on 2/14/10 at 5:05 pm to moneyg
Name me the last successful starter whose go to pitch was a changeup? You can't they don't exist. Also in order for a changeup to be successful you need to mix the speeds especially well from fastball to changeup. Going from 86 to 78 isn't going to cut it against the big boys.
Posted on 2/14/10 at 5:05 pm to WestCoastTigah
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One stat that doe concern me is that in his 50 innings pitched he allowed 46 hits.
I'll take fewer hits than innings pitched any day of the week in college baseball. Also going back to your big game pitching bullshite, I think you'll find that the closer the game the better he was. He gave up more hits/runs on average when the game wasn't close than when he was really in a tight spot because he was just throwing the ball over the plate (see Alabama series for example).
Posted on 2/14/10 at 5:07 pm to WestCoastTigah
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On the season he had 6 walks and 69 strikeouts. Which isn't particulay surprising to me since a closer should have near zero walks.
Yea, lets go ahead and belittle his 69 to 6, K to BB ratio.
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One stat that doe concern me is that in his 50 innings pitched he allowed 46 hits.
That could certaily improve, but when you K 69 in 50 innings, and rarely walk anyone, you can afford give up some hits.
Posted on 2/14/10 at 5:08 pm to WestCoastTigah
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Name me the last successful starter whose go to pitch was a changeup?
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Going from 86 to 78 isn't going to cut it against the big boys.
It absolutely will, as long as you can command it well enough to throw in fastball counts.
Posted on 2/14/10 at 5:10 pm to LsuTool
Not necessarily because in college baseball each one of those hits has a high probablility of getting out of the ballpark. Omaha last year was a great example of that. Stick your bat out there and it is going somewhere deep.
Posted on 2/14/10 at 5:10 pm to WestCoastTigah
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Yes they are the ones who got him into position to get all those saves and also give him the confide ce to go out there and leave it all out there because if he blows the save the offense will be right behind him to cleanup the mess and pull out the W.
How many blown saves did Ott have last year?
Posted on 2/14/10 at 5:12 pm to WestCoastTigah
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Not necessarily because in college baseball each one of those hits has a high probablility of getting out of the ballpark. Omaha last year was a great example of that. Stick your bat out there and it is going somewhere deep.
You have a good point about college baseball, the bats, and it being an offensive game...which makes having fewer hits than innings pitched all the more impressive.
Posted on 2/14/10 at 5:12 pm to MOT
What college team did Maddux pitch for again? He didn't.
Posted on 2/14/10 at 5:14 pm to WestCoastTigah
Nate Bumstead had a pretty good career at LSU
Posted on 2/14/10 at 5:15 pm to WestCoastTigah
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Name me the last successful starter whose go to pitch was a changeup? You can't they don't exist. Also in order for a changeup to be successful you need to mix the speeds especially well from fastball to changeup. Going from 86 to 78 isn't going to cut it against the big boys.
So, you admit that he has a quality changeup now? In a previous post you said he had a below average off speed pitch. Which is it?
Posted on 2/14/10 at 5:16 pm to WestCoastTigah
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Not necessarily because in college baseball each one of those hits has a high probablility of getting out of the ballpark. Omaha last year was a great example of that. Stick your bat out there and it is going somewhere deep.
Back up this crap with some stats please.
Posted on 2/14/10 at 5:18 pm to WestCoastTigah
So now we're back to just talking about college production?
Scott Bittle was pretty damn good for ole miss and made our offense look stupid with a changeup last year.
Scott Bittle was pretty damn good for ole miss and made our offense look stupid with a changeup last year.
Posted on 2/14/10 at 5:18 pm to clownbaby
I wouldn't say Bumstead was outstanding he had an okay career at LSU alot of the time his ERA was pretty inflated.
Posted on 2/14/10 at 5:18 pm to LsuTool
he doesnt do stats...if he based his argument around stats this thread wouldntve made it to page 2
Posted on 2/14/10 at 5:21 pm to moneyg
I dont think he has a plus changeup like some people do here. I think his changeup is average ranging from 86-78. Mix that with his other off speed pitches and his off speed total is below average.
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