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re: Pick Six - A Closer Look
Posted on 3/30/10 at 4:00 pm to TigerEggs
Posted on 3/30/10 at 4:00 pm to TigerEggs
Sick six - From the Advocate LINK
Sept. 20 — Auburn defensive end Gabe McKenzie jumps a route in the left flat and races 24 yards to give AU a 14-3 lead right before halftime.
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Oct. 11 — Florida middle linebacker Brandon Spikes triggers a 17-point quarter when he snares a Lee throw and rambles 52 yards to boost the Gators lead to 41-14.
Youtube
Oct. 25 — Bulldogs middle linebacker Darryl Gamble torments Lee twice — snatching a pick on the first play of the game and dashing 40 yards for a score and then picking off an errant throw in the fourth quarter and racing 53 yards to put Georgia up 52-31 with 3:18 left in the game.
Youtube
Nov. 1 — With LSU ahead 28-3, Tulane linebacker Travis Burks grabs a Lee pass and weaves 43 yards to make the Tigers and a lethargic Tiger Stadium crowd nervous in the fourth quarter.
Youtube - 27 sec in
Nov. 8 — The Tigers have the upper hand most of the first half but a Lee pass sails high and into the arms of safety Rashad Johnson, who finds wide-open running room and sprints 54 yards to knot the score 14-14 at halftime.
Youtube - It's in here, but those gd bammers messed it all up w/ editing. It looks more like a WWE intro video than highlights...
I believe there are a couple of other ones... I believe there is one @ Troy. Just figured I'd post. The major thing I see is the passes are going to folks with no offensive player around or are screen type passes where the defender would be in natural position to take it to the house. If you're throwing a deep ball, it gives the offense a little more real estate to make the tackle.
Sept. 20 — Auburn defensive end Gabe McKenzie jumps a route in the left flat and races 24 yards to give AU a 14-3 lead right before halftime.
Youtube
Oct. 11 — Florida middle linebacker Brandon Spikes triggers a 17-point quarter when he snares a Lee throw and rambles 52 yards to boost the Gators lead to 41-14.
Youtube
Oct. 25 — Bulldogs middle linebacker Darryl Gamble torments Lee twice — snatching a pick on the first play of the game and dashing 40 yards for a score and then picking off an errant throw in the fourth quarter and racing 53 yards to put Georgia up 52-31 with 3:18 left in the game.
Youtube
Nov. 1 — With LSU ahead 28-3, Tulane linebacker Travis Burks grabs a Lee pass and weaves 43 yards to make the Tigers and a lethargic Tiger Stadium crowd nervous in the fourth quarter.
Youtube - 27 sec in
Nov. 8 — The Tigers have the upper hand most of the first half but a Lee pass sails high and into the arms of safety Rashad Johnson, who finds wide-open running room and sprints 54 yards to knot the score 14-14 at halftime.
Youtube - It's in here, but those gd bammers messed it all up w/ editing. It looks more like a WWE intro video than highlights...
I believe there are a couple of other ones... I believe there is one @ Troy. Just figured I'd post. The major thing I see is the passes are going to folks with no offensive player around or are screen type passes where the defender would be in natural position to take it to the house. If you're throwing a deep ball, it gives the offense a little more real estate to make the tackle.
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Posted on 3/30/10 at 4:08 pm to RileyTime
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the one against Bama was not only not Lee's fault, but the WR ran a terrible route... It was intercepted near mid field with the entire offense ahead of him... We ultimately gave up on tackling, no offensive player remotely tried to tackle the guy
IDK it was almost like a poor punt to a good punt returner. He caught it in the middle of the field with offense having to adjust to make up for it.
I just don't remeber a bunch of interceptions just being great plays by the defense. That is why it happened so much. The catch was easy so it made the return easier also.
What that comes accross to me is just poor QB play and not gunslinger play. He isn't forcing people to make great plays to make the TO so that is why it is such a big deal.
This post was edited on 3/30/10 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 3/30/10 at 4:10 pm to yeanheard
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yeah but losing 6 yards =/= TD opponent
hell, losing 12 yards =/= change of possession
And an inablility to make more than one read, holding on to the ball, and no deep pass = 112th ranked offense.
I'm not saying either is good, but you are acting like everyone of those pick sixes was completely Lee's fault and he has no good qualities that could outweigh a few bad passes in the past
Posted on 3/30/10 at 4:13 pm to TigerEggs
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And an inablility to make more than one read, holding on to the ball, and no deep pass = 112th ranked offense.
and you are assuming JJ was the problem on offense last season when the offense was good when he was starting in 2008.
The thing that changed on offense from 2008 to 2009 was the play of the OL. People just need to understand the OL was bad last year.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 4:22 pm to lsutiger2486
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and you are assuming JJ was the problem on offense last season when the offense was good when he was starting in 2008.
Yea im doing exactly what he did, putting all the blame on one person.
The bottom line is JL has improved, and JJ has not. JL is a few bad passes away from being considered a servicable freshman quarterback. JJ seems to have more fundamental problems that looked like inexperience at first, but since he has NOT PROGRESSED at all it might be a deeper issue.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 4:28 pm to TigerEggs
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The bottom line is JL has improved, and JJ has not.
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but since he has NOT PROGRESSED at all it might be a deeper issue
so you go to LSU's practices? or you throw the ball around with JJ on a regular basis?
Or did you come to these conclusions from watching a fricking spring scrimmage?
Posted on 3/30/10 at 4:32 pm to yeanheard
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so you go to LSU's practices? or you throw the ball around with JJ on a regular basis?
Or did you come to these conclusions from watching a fricking spring scrimmage?
Yea jackass i base my opinions on the most recent information that I have... what inside fricking information do you have that makes you think that JJ has progressed because its pretty unanimous around here that he hasn't
Posted on 3/30/10 at 4:36 pm to TigerEggs
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Yea jackass i base my opinions on the most recent information that I have
1 practice.
& Miles referred to JJ as "his best QB"
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what inside fricking information do you have that makes you think that JJ has progressed
none and i dont claim to.
i claim that JJ as of last year > JLee
wait until the fall. we will see
This post was edited on 3/30/10 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 3/30/10 at 4:39 pm to TigerEggs
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what inside fricking information do you have that makes you think that JJ has progressed because its pretty unanimous around here that he hasn't
Because the Rant is the place to go to get accurate insight into the development of our football team
He had a bad Spring game. Lee had a decent one accompanied with an all to familiar pic 6. Neither means they haven't progressed. We won't be able to tell how far they have come until we get into fall practice after offseason workouts and a few more months of development. Not saying who I think takes the next step or even if the next step will be taken by either. But a bunch of idiots opinions on this message board mean absolutely nothing.Posted on 3/30/10 at 4:41 pm to yeanheard
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i claim that JJ as of last year > JLee
wait until the fall. we will see
I'm not saying that you are right or wrong. My whole point with this thread was that JL's pick 6 problem might not be as bad as it seems. If you think about it, it's only a handful of bad passes and maybe some bad luck (pretty costly none the less). But considering that JJ hasn't showed that he is a clear cut better quarterback like everyone was expecting, JL's problems might be more palatable than JJ's. That's all
Posted on 3/30/10 at 4:44 pm to Mr. Wayne
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a bunch of idiots opinions on this message board mean absolutely nothing.
So why are you wasting your time here? Did you come here for more than just opinions? Sounds like you are in the wrong place... that's all we have here. opinions.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 4:46 pm to TigerEggs
He throws alot of picks on out routes it seems.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 4:49 pm to TigerEggs
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JL's problems might be more palatable than JJ's. That's all
They very well might be. One thing for sure is if I were Coach Miles, I would have all of my QB's in film study and on the field with the receivers every possible second during the summer. Both JJ and JL have the talent to become good QB's. We need to find out who wants it more and who is willing to put in the most work to take the position. My stance remains that IMO JJ gives us a better shot to win for differnent reasons I have concluded. It seems like this is Miles stance at the moment as well. But if JL comes in and blows him away this summer, and JJ sits back and lets it happen, then my stance will change. The player that earns it deserves to be on the field. I have faith that JJ will come through. And I also have faith that JL will push him every step of the way and if he were to earn the starting QB spot, rightfully deserve it.
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So why are you wasting your time here? Did you come here for more than just opinions? Sounds like you are in the wrong place... that's all we have here. opinions
I come here because otherwise I would have to do some work Newb. You trying to proclaim that JJ hasn't progressed in any way shape or form because some posters on the Rant have declared it so just makes you look stupid.
This post was edited on 3/30/10 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 3/30/10 at 4:58 pm to Mr. Wayne
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You trying to proclaim that JJ hasn't progressed in any way shape or form because some posters on the Rant have declared it so just makes you look stupid
That is MY OPINION from what I have seen all of last year and this spring, which is as much as everyone else has seen. and coincidently it is also the majority opinion around here. so how does that make me look stupid again?
But go ahead call me a newb because you have more posts than me.... quantity doesn't equal quality
Posted on 3/30/10 at 5:02 pm to TigerEggs
A Newb claiming quality in his posts.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 5:11 pm to Mr. Wayne
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You trying to proclaim that JJ hasn't progressed in any way shape or form because some posters on the Rant have declared it so just makes you look stupid.
He has regressed in general, like Lee has
Its the coaching, or lack of. Both are highly talented but quickly becoming basket cases who cannot read a defense.
I have no problem making that claim because it is 100% true.
Posted on 3/30/10 at 5:13 pm to TigerEggs
Anybody callin for j lee already is a fool.... Ya'll sound like upset women. Jj has clearly outplayed J lee during gametime, and clearly had a better season statistically in 09 thsn j lee had in 08 and a better win/loss record more importantly....
Additionally, j lee is horrible, and im not sayn i love jj, but he is better than j lee.... You guys must havr forgotten how he tanked us against nearly everyone in 08 including 4 pics against Alabama... He also suckrd in his limited playin time last year, and especially against la tech...
Honestly what is the basis in calling for lee over jj, he is a bad int waiting to happen...
Additionally, j lee is horrible, and im not sayn i love jj, but he is better than j lee.... You guys must havr forgotten how he tanked us against nearly everyone in 08 including 4 pics against Alabama... He also suckrd in his limited playin time last year, and especially against la tech...
Honestly what is the basis in calling for lee over jj, he is a bad int waiting to happen...
Posted on 3/30/10 at 5:16 pm to Mr. Wayne
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A Newb claiming quality in his posts
So at what point does one not become a newb? you have 1500 posts, when did you graduate from newbness? maybe I should go make some useless posts on the gaming board and I might get some respect.
Some of you are just ignorant assholes, instead of just having a conversation and listening to what someone has to say you look at how many posts i have? very intelligent
Posted on 3/30/10 at 5:21 pm to P bean
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Honestly what is the basis in calling for lee over jj, he is a bad int waiting to happen...
Maybe, maybe not.
Maybe Lee has improved despite his interception that loston obviously knew was coming. He looked more in control in the spring game and made better reads. However, it is only a spring game and says nothing about how he will play in a big game infront of a packed tiger stadium much less on the road.
However, it is clear based ON THE SPRING GAME, JJ has not made any adjustments from last year.
That being said, it is only one performance and there is alot of time before next season for both to improve
Posted on 3/30/10 at 5:25 pm to lsutiger2486
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and you are assuming JJ was the problem on offense last season when the offense was good when he was starting in 2008.
there is some insight here that Crowton and Miles should probably realize...in JJ's games in 08, the offense was slimmed down to what he could run best, and he did fine. Last year they kept insisting on trying to run all 6,128 plays in the Crowton playbook. Either QB would be fine if Crowton would realize what will never be effective and quit trying to run it.
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