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re: Per LSUsports.net: FIU's Beth Torina named LSU Softball Coach...
Posted on 6/21/11 at 11:28 pm to GFunk
Posted on 6/21/11 at 11:28 pm to GFunk
Alleva has TOTALLY dropped the ball here. Going from trying to hire a 7 time WCWS coach and willing to pay the highest salary in the country to a coach who barely has a winning record in a weak conference and has been to the tournament ONCE and not even this year where she failed to win either the regular season or the conference tournament after 4 years??? That sure inspires us Joe!! If she's such a stud coach shouldn't she at least be winning in the Sunbelt? People are saying that she didn't have any resources. You think South Alabama or Western Kentucky has more resources? Give me a break. FIU has a student population of 38 thousand. Don't tell me they don't have the resources to at least compete in their own conference.
I don't know the particulars of what happened but this just looks SO BAD on Alleva and the athletics department. It's embarrassing. He needed to make a grand slam hire after the debacle with Murphy and we got a great big THUD! Looks like he tucked tail and just said "find somebody."
I don't know the particulars of what happened but this just looks SO BAD on Alleva and the athletics department. It's embarrassing. He needed to make a grand slam hire after the debacle with Murphy and we got a great big THUD! Looks like he tucked tail and just said "find somebody."
Posted on 6/22/11 at 12:23 am to LSU NO Tigah
Hotlana Tigah, sounds like you have more information at your side than our AD? Give me a break! Who are you to criticize? I have confidence in JA and he bets his job on every hire. This lady is probably a {{{Diamond in the Rough}}} and what really matters is what our young lady tigers think. She might not have the stats as you see it, but she is likely the best fit for our softball future at this time and great to have her. 
Posted on 6/22/11 at 12:47 am to Bel Air Tiger
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This lady is probably a {{{Diamond in the Rough}}}
Alleva better hope and pray that she is. I think that she deserves a chance, but I'm willing to bet that most if not all of the LSU softball community is not overjoyed with this hire.
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what really matters is what our young lady tigers think
Reportedly they were ecstatic when it appeared that we had lured Murphy away from Bama. We haven't heard a peep from them since Torina's hiring was announced, so we don't know what they think.
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she is likely the best fit for our softball future at this time
Oh? Better than Lawson or Gumpf would've been? Her track record at FIU isn't exactly awe-inspiring (no conference championships and just one post-season appearance) and her teams have been owned by ULL during all 4 years of her tenure.
On the flip side, she is young, and we were badly in need of new blood in the program. I hear that she will be coaching the pitchers, so it will be interesting to see if she can do something with LSU's anemic hitting.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 1:17 am to LSU NO Tigah
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FIU has a student population of 38 thousand. Don't tell me they don't have the resources to at least compete in their own conference.
FIU doesn't have resources in any sports, notice that they don't excel in anything despite one of the nation's largest student populations. Same thing happens at UCF but they've been around D1 longer so they're starting to build themselves up.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 1:20 am to LouisianaLonghorn
Right Longhorn. We need to deal in gonna be's rather than woulda beens. Hopefully she will be an awesome pitching coach and have an awesome hitting coach which we sorely need. I doubt the ladies knew Murphy, rather enjoyed his intro meeting and his reputation. My guess is that Torina also has charisma but will find out tomorrow.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 7:22 am to Bel Air Tiger
The more I read about this lady, the more I like the hire.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 7:26 am to Bel Air Tiger
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Who are you to criticize?
Please...
So we can't criticize anything anymore? We can't question hires? We can't be skeptical until proven wrong? Sorry, but I will not drink the Kool-Aid simply because it's being put in front of me.
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I have confidence in JA and he bets his job on every hire.
I agree.
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This lady is probably a {{{Diamond in the Rough}}} and what really matters is what our young lady tigers think.
This is thing that kills me - so it's okay for you to assume to know things because they are positive, but if someone else offers an opinion that you consider to be negative, then it's automatically wrong and dismissed? What?
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She might not have the stats as you see it,
There's no way a rational thinking person can look at her overall record and say that she has great stats as a head coach.
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but she is likely the best fit for our softball future at this time and great to have her.
How is she 'likely the best fit"? Since you seem to be okay with ripping Hotlanta about his opinion and 'having more information at his side than the AD' - how is it that it's okay for you to make that statement, bout not okay for Hotlanta to make his?
Spare me the self-righteousness of 'who are you...'. This a message board for an entire fan-base, so sometimes people will disagree with whatever your opinion is...and they have the right to do that as long as they follow the board guidelines in doing so.
Look, I'm the biggest Les Miles fan on this board, and I HAAAAAATE this place at times during the football season, but for as much as I may disagree with those that don't care for Miles, they still have the right to criticize him...no matter how off base I might think they are (I mean, come on, the guy is awesome).
/rant...
Posted on 6/22/11 at 11:38 am to RummelTiger
Rummel -ran out or breath reading all that, but now it's my turn. The question (not rip) was who was Hotlana or anyone else for that matter to criticize, i. e., does he have more information than our AD who made the selection as to who is available, who is interested, or the opinions of many trusted individuals like softball coaches, other ADs or search firms that are paid to be truly informed, at his side. That's the question.
Comparing the credentials of Patrick verses anyone at this point is moot since he's at bama and unfortunately, some once available candidates, became spoken for. Most AD's use search firms who qualify the pool of best avaialbe candidates based on the established criteria.
Without different opinions, the rant wouldn't be the fun place it is. But downing our ADs selection with unfounded statements from many ranters potentially in view of our lady soFtbaLlers and our potential new coach's eyes is not good for the program, LSU or for our team's hopeful success. In business lingo, it's poor public policy. So yes, my version is perhaps a more positive view of the situation.
Regarding my opinions, I have no knowledge of who the best candidates were the previous Sunday and don't pretend to, but place my stock in JA's choice...pure and simple. I believe that JA was in a better position than 99.5% on the rant population to know who the best avaialbe candidate was...do you believe that?
{{{{Diamond in the rough}}}} is probably the best most positive description to describe this hire when stats is the only leg some critics choose to stand on while knowing nothing about many other facets of the softball coaching scene. And I, like almost all the ranters who voice their opinions and love LSU, hope that she is -right?
Hope some of these points make sense.

Comparing the credentials of Patrick verses anyone at this point is moot since he's at bama and unfortunately, some once available candidates, became spoken for. Most AD's use search firms who qualify the pool of best avaialbe candidates based on the established criteria.
Without different opinions, the rant wouldn't be the fun place it is. But downing our ADs selection with unfounded statements from many ranters potentially in view of our lady soFtbaLlers and our potential new coach's eyes is not good for the program, LSU or for our team's hopeful success. In business lingo, it's poor public policy. So yes, my version is perhaps a more positive view of the situation.
Regarding my opinions, I have no knowledge of who the best candidates were the previous Sunday and don't pretend to, but place my stock in JA's choice...pure and simple. I believe that JA was in a better position than 99.5% on the rant population to know who the best avaialbe candidate was...do you believe that?
{{{{Diamond in the rough}}}} is probably the best most positive description to describe this hire when stats is the only leg some critics choose to stand on while knowing nothing about many other facets of the softball coaching scene. And I, like almost all the ranters who voice their opinions and love LSU, hope that she is -right?
Hope some of these points make sense.
Posted on 6/22/11 at 12:28 pm to LSU NO Tigah
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Give me a break. FIU has a student population of 38 thousand. Don't tell me they don't have the resources to at least compete in their own conference.
You do realize that there is no direct correlation between the number of students and the athletic resources don't you?
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:09 pm to GFunk
It appears the hiring had Coach G's blessing... and that is all I need to support Coach Torina. Besides, we need to keep our pitching staff in good order. My biggest concern is that we get a TOP NOTCH HITTING COACH to get the Party started.
And by the way, I seem to recall lots of gripes and reservations when Coach Saban was hired... that turned out okay... at least while he was here. I also recall when some said, Skip who?
And by the way, I seem to recall lots of gripes and reservations when Coach Saban was hired... that turned out okay... at least while he was here. I also recall when some said, Skip who?
This post was edited on 6/23/11 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:22 pm to Lsukim
Good post Kim. I agree and like what I saw in her introduction and her answering the questions. She had a good sense of confidence for a 32 yr old and liked her persona.
Haven't heard anything about team chemistry yet and hope that went well. Realllly agree that batting coach is important.
Haven't heard anything about team chemistry yet and hope that went well. Realllly agree that batting coach is important.
Posted on 6/23/11 at 11:26 pm to Bel Air Tiger
Beth deserves 700K per year!
Posted on 6/24/11 at 2:45 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Beth deserves 700K per year!
haha...need back to back NCs for that but hope she earns some salery increases and bonuses for World Series soon.
Nothing new on the team or interaction during the summer or dead period for coaching?
Posted on 6/27/11 at 10:24 am to Bel Air Tiger
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Realllly agree that batting coach is important.
The Dandy One just had someone post that we are getting So. Miss. head coach, Howard Dobson, to be our hitting coach...interesting...
Posted on 6/27/11 at 10:38 am to Bel Air Tiger
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Rummel -ran out or breath reading all that, but now it's my turn. The question (not rip) was who was Hotlana or anyone else for that matter to criticize, i. e., does he have more information than our AD who made the selection as to who is available, who is interested, or the opinions of many trusted individuals like softball coaches, other ADs or search firms that are paid to be truly informed, at his side. That's the question.
Comparing the credentials of Patrick verses anyone at this point is moot since he's at bama and unfortunately, some once available candidates, became spoken for. Most AD's use search firms who qualify the pool of best avaialbe candidates based on the established criteria.
Without different opinions, the rant wouldn't be the fun place it is. But downing our ADs selection with unfounded statements from many ranters potentially in view of our lady soFtbaLlers and our potential new coach's eyes is not good for the program, LSU or for our team's hopeful success. In business lingo, it's poor public policy. So yes, my version is perhaps a more positive view of the situation.
Regarding my opinions, I have no knowledge of who the best candidates were the previous Sunday and don't pretend to, but place my stock in JA's choice...pure and simple. I believe that JA was in a better position than 99.5% on the rant population to know who the best avaialbe candidate was...do you believe that?
{{{{Diamond in the rough}}}} is probably the best most positive description to describe this hire when stats is the only leg some critics choose to stand on while knowing nothing about many other facets of the softball coaching scene. And I, like almost all the ranters who voice their opinions and love LSU, hope that she is -right?
Hope some of these points make sense.
You didn't answer the question as to why its okay to dismiss other's objective opinions because they are negative and disagree with yours.
You put your stock in Joe Alleva, and he got completely jerked around in the last hire he made. He's also made some serious public missteps during both his career here (his public comments about Trent Johnson losing in the Advocate were extremely ill conceived & delivered) and at Duke (which I won't even mention, but I'm sure you can recall).
So to put stock in him simply because you love LSU is in a roundabout way what we're doing. We've seen his mistakes, and we aren't going to blindly continue to buy his particular brand of vodka, just because he says so.
There is a quantifiable, tangible documentation of how Alleva has made mistakes. Yeah, yeah, I know, we all make mistakes. We all aren't Athletic Directors of a $100,000,000.00 Athletic Department, either. In other words, my mistakes at work may get pointed out in a peer review or when its time for a performance evaluation.
But, Alleva's get lapped up by folks like yourself as if they're some sort've snake oil. I'm sorry, but I've seen enough of his handling of situations in the public eye and as an Athletic Director to know that you can't trust his decision-making.
How you can argue that any other way is simply an example of your complete lack of objectivity.
In my view, LSU was around before Joe Alleva. LSU is around while Joe Alleva is here. LSU will be around long after both Joe Alleva & I are gone.
Joe Alleva isn't LSU. He's a paid administrator that's human. He doesn't deserve to be tarred & feathered, but he doesn't need to be fellated by folks like yourself simply because LSU decided to hire him.
Watch him like you watch everyone else. Do not tell me what's important to them. Do not tell me what they say. Show me what they do.
What he's done is to make several notable missteps.
Posted on 6/27/11 at 10:43 am to Tiger in Texas
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The Dandy One just had someone post that we are getting So. Miss. head coach, Howard Dobson, to be our hitting coach...interesting...
Really good hire. Here is the link to him resigning. LINK
He is married to a Baton Rouge girl, btw.
This post was edited on 6/27/11 at 10:47 am
Posted on 6/27/11 at 12:43 pm to Blades
Hobson's team batted .234 last year and finished 17-38. Didn't think it was possible for us to find a coach whose batting average was LOWER than ours was last year. 
Posted on 6/27/11 at 1:02 pm to Blades
Howard is a great guy and a very good coach. His wife is from the B.R. area, they are a good family. Good luck to Howard and coach Beth and the lady tigers.
Posted on 6/27/11 at 1:06 pm to SanFranTiger
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Hobson's team batted .234 last year and finished 17-38. Didn't think it was possible for us to find a coach whose batting average was LOWER than ours was last year.
He sucked at USM but when he was the hitting coach at OU they had very good numbers.
Posted on 6/27/11 at 7:29 pm to saintsfan22
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He sucked at USM but when he was the hitting coach at OU they had very good numbers
The first thing that hits you (pun?) is that Hobson will be another ex-head coach to become our hitting coach; sound familiar?? David Grewe left Mich. St. to become hitting coach at LSU for our baseball team. Let's hope Hobson has great results...
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