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re: people, stop with the "backing into the ncg" garbage
Posted on 12/21/09 at 3:00 pm to bfniii
Posted on 12/21/09 at 3:00 pm to bfniii
quote:
people, stop with the "backing into the ncg" garbage
Never happened before in the history of the sport and in all probabilities will never happen again in the sport.
On top of that, needed two huge upsets on the same day to even get in.
That seems like the very definition of backing in.
Only in a playoff system could the travesty of a 2-loss team win the championship.
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Posted on 12/21/09 at 3:42 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:i would start by trying to accurately reproduce my point before criticizing it. just a thought
Here's something specific - your arguments are stupid and not making sense
quote:that's the point. a team's season is not played out in a vacuum. why are you ignoring that?
My argument is not relative to any other team, it's about THIS team.
quote:1. lsu DID GET IN ON IT'S OWN MERITS. period. you are still ignoring the entire season and cherry picking the ark game to justify your flawed point.
It was LUCKY plain and simple that we get in at the last minute, not on our own merits as much as the fact that others failed in front of us
2. even in the case of undefeated teams, no one can say they totally controlled their own destiny. NO TEAM CONTROLS IT'S OWN STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE. just ask boise st and cincinnati this season. ask auburn '04.
quote:again, you're arguing in a bubble. that IF qualifier makes your point basically non-realistic.
if the other teams had not have lost, it would NOT have helped.
quote:since you are having trouble grasping the most basic aspect of college football, i don't think you should make this statement of other people
Good grief, you are about as dense as a piece of cardboard.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 3:46 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
quote:name the team(s) that look like this and for how long do you expect them to look this way?
I expect them to look well coached, crisp, and on the same page
quote:once again ignoring things like player execution, environment/weather, officiating, injuries, scheduling, team chemistry all in the name of blaming the coach
If they lose one, they lose one, but at least they didn't look completely unprepared while doing it.
quote:there is no circuitous route. it's just college football. it's the way the entire season plays out.
they took a circuitous route to get there
Posted on 12/21/09 at 3:48 pm to MC123
quote:prove it
The 2007 Tigers lost to 2 teams that they had no business losing to, and that was a direct result of the coaching IMHO
quote:i never said that. i said the phrase has no bearing on reality
you cannot assume that everyone who uses the 'backing into the title game' argument is not a real fan
quote:no, we didn't. there is no such thing
we did back into that title game
Posted on 12/21/09 at 3:49 pm to TX Tiger
quote:once again ignoring the rest of the season. lsu's season-long resume warranted the ncg and was not solely contingent on the last weekend
On top of that, needed two huge upsets on the same day to even get in.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 3:52 pm to TX Tiger
quote:Its rare but they used to allow ties and I count 2 national titles that that had had 2 "non-wins" in their final record.
Never happened before in the history of the sport and in all probabilities will never happen again in the sport.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 3:53 pm to bfniii
What the hell happened to this fanbase? You want to cheapen our 07 NC just so you can say you don't think Miles is a good coach?? What the hell kind of fan does that? I'm not a big fan of Miles either, but give the man credit for a championship and stop downgrading it like Bama fans do. It's pathetic. You can credit Saban however much you want, but that doesn't change the fact that Miles won that NC.
And to all of you people who still think we backed into the NC, your Lord and Hero Saban backed into the SECCG in 01. 3 SEC Losses... how come no one pisses on that SEC title?
And to all of you people who still think we backed into the NC, your Lord and Hero Saban backed into the SECCG in 01. 3 SEC Losses... how come no one pisses on that SEC title?
Posted on 12/21/09 at 4:01 pm to Chimlim
quote:
And to all of you people who still think we backed into the NC, your Lord and Hero Saban backed into the SECCG in 01. 3 SEC Losses... how come no one pisses on that SEC title?
likely answers include "we sucked back then and our standards are higher now. A 3 loss secc would get pissed on in the future" & "we lost those three games at the beginning not the end so we like dominated n shite. If we had lost those three at the end of the season then the title would suck arse and I wouldn't want it"
Posted on 12/21/09 at 4:07 pm to TX Tiger
still waiting on proof that lsu was "more lucky" than all the other teams in college football.
also, someone please name the team that controls their own strength of schedule. things like w/l record of opponent's opponents.
let's see someone specifically answer those questions. NO EMOTICONS. NO AD HOMINEMS (that means no personal attacks).
also, someone please name the team that controls their own strength of schedule. things like w/l record of opponent's opponents.
let's see someone specifically answer those questions. NO EMOTICONS. NO AD HOMINEMS (that means no personal attacks).
Posted on 12/21/09 at 4:07 pm to LSUsmartass
quote:
You enjoyed this past season?
You mean a 13th ranked season headed to a New Day bowl game vs. Penn St?
Hell yeah!
Posted on 12/21/09 at 4:12 pm to Chimlim
quote:
What the hell happened to this fanbase?
quote:
You want to cheapen our
quote:
backed into the SECCG in 01.
The irony.
BTW, the 2001 LSU Tiger Football team won it's last 3 SEC games and didn't need anyone to lose the last weekend to make the SECCG. fricking revisionists.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 4:17 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:
people, stop with the "backing into the ncg" garbage
Who cares how we got in?
We got in and that's THE only thing that matters. Well, that and the fact we beat the dog do-do out of the #1 racked team in the nation.
Leave it for the whine and moan crowd to wet their pants over the chicken-chit BS.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 4:18 pm to bfniii
quote:
the phrase has no bearing on reality
Look, I completely agree with your opinion about NC's requiring luck. Every single one of them does. You need to understand that LSU controlled their own destiny to win the BCS Title. All they had to do was beat unranked Arkansas, at home, on Senior Day. They couldn't. Then, the Tigers BACKED IN to the BCSNCG only because other teams lost in the final weekend. There is no other more blatant example of backing into a game.
I have no interest in cheapening our title, I am just being objective and realistic. A crystal football is a crystal football, and no one will ever take that from us. But I really don't understand how you can think that we didn't back into that game. Take off your P&G glasses for 2 minutes and think about it.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 4:20 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:
Who cares how we got in?
We got in and that's THE only thing that matters.
This is probably more to the point than anything.
And it wasn't the "bitch and moan" crowd that started this stupid fricking topic. It was a member of the "sunshine pumper" crowd. A majority of these threads aren't started by the people you argue with. They're started by people you are in agreement with that are looking to rehash the same old shite over and over and over then tell other people they need to stop crying.
I personally can't wait until the talk turns to uniforms in a couple of months. Can't believe I miss those days.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 4:20 pm to bfniii
quote:
On top of that, needed two huge upsets on the same day to even get in.
once again ignoring the rest of the season.
Oh, O.K. so if those two upsets didn't happen, LSU would have still played for the national championship.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 4:22 pm to MC123
quote:
I have no interest in cheapening our title, I am just being objective and realistic. A crystal football is a crystal football, and no one will ever take that from us. But I really don't understand how you can think that we didn't back into that game. Take off your P&G glasses for 2 minutes and think about it.
Impossible for them. To say we backed in somehow means we weren't deserving to these idiots. It completely blows their mind to think we both backed in AND were the most deserving team.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 4:23 pm to bfniii
quote:
also, someone please name the team that controls their own strength of schedule.
I thoroughly enjoy the annual "Pulling the Schedule Out of the Hat" party.
Posted on 12/21/09 at 4:29 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
Only in a playoff system could the travesty of a 2-loss team win the championship.
It's a travesty only if there was some other deserving team out there with less losses, which in 2007 there was not. So...should Ohio State have just been crowned champ since that was the only 1 loss team out there?
Posted on 12/21/09 at 4:34 pm to MC123
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But I really don't understand how you can think that we didn't back into that game.
We had to win the SEC title game to get in and we did. You want to see winning the SEC title game as backing in, so be it....I don't.
I see it more as we did, in the regular season and postseason, what we had to do to be in position for the invite that came our way.
How is that any different than what every other team who has gotten into the BCS title game done?
Posted on 12/21/09 at 4:40 pm to Lonnie4LSU
quote:
We had to win the SEC title game to get in and we did.
Not exactly. If we had beaten Arkansas in the last regular season game, then winning the SEC Title game would get us in guaranteed.
Instead, we lost that game and no longer controlled our own destiny. We had to wait and hope that specific teams ahead of us would lose so we would be on equal footing again and allow our entire season to compare to theirs.
That is backing in.
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