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re: Out of state tuition and room and board is about 50k per year

Posted on 12/7/24 at 9:06 am to
Posted by rintintin
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 9:06 am to
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would you work for free if someone paid your lodging and health insurance?


What an asinine comparison. When did college athletics become a profession?

School sports at all levels are a completely voluntary activity.
This post was edited on 12/7/24 at 9:07 am
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 9:11 am to
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When did college athletics become a profession?



It's always been


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School sports at all levels are a completely voluntary activity.



whatever field you work in was a chosen voluntary decision
Posted by rintintin
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 9:17 am to
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whatever field you work in was a chosen voluntary decision


Yes, and the contract includes compensation.

College sports doesn't.

Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 9:24 am to
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College sports doesn't.


Now it does
Posted by rintintin
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 9:29 am to
Your original premise was:

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would you work for free if someone paid your lodging and health insurance?


If you want to call college sports a profession (which i dont), the answer to that has been a resounding yes to the tune of hundreds of thousands of people

And if NIL was ruled dead tomorrow, hundreds of thousands of athletes would still play college sports.

I'm really not sure what you're trying to argue here.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 9:37 am to
I don’t really care what you label it, I’m not here to argue with you over the word profession.

I would only assume you consider college football to be a business, correct?
Posted by rintintin
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 9:42 am to
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would only assume you consider college football to be a business, correct?


Sure, the same way a University is a business.
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 9:47 am to
Most top tier CFB facilities are lightyears better than NFL facilities. They have a much larger access to trainers on standby and rehab equipment. Big difference is that CFB have strength coaches and NFL players usually have personal trainers. Personal chefs vs. university chefs.

The access to rehab equipment alone is worth tens of thousands a year. Cryotherapy, Alter-G machines, underwater treadmills, HyperIce boots, cupping/deep tissue massage in standby. You name it.
Posted by DesertCajun
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 9:49 am to
Exactly - professional vs amateur athlete.
Posted by BET
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 9:49 am to
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would you work for free if someone paid your lodging and health insurance?
broooo, bro, going to college and working is different man. Come on brah.

Nil is poison to college athletics. His point is the college athlete get free

Room and board
School
Books, supplies
Tons of clothing and shoes
Food all day
Tuition

At the end of the day, after 3 years that's a lot of money. Prolly adds up to close or more than 500k.


When NIL started, all of the above should have been burdened on the athlete getting nil. Pay with his nil money you wanna make money , we'll pay for all your stuff now.
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 9:52 am to
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Sure, the same way a University is a business.


Definitely both businesses. Definitely not the same type of businesses. lmao

Posted by extremelsu
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 9:54 am to
This wont happen now that the cat is out of the bag.



But what if we didnt allow players to be sponsored/NIL?
But they are allowed to be employees of the university and sign contracts? This way salary caps can be implemented
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 9:54 am to
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going to college and working is different man. Come on brah.


College football is working. The university is making money off of their performance. That is working.


Furthermore, the market is the market. As a booster/university, You pay what you can afford. If you do not think it is worth it, don't pay it. But you are clearly seeing what these players are worth to big universities, and how much money is at stake by being successful. It is a whole lot more than room and board and a private chef.
Posted by rintintin
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 9:58 am to
I'll agree they're different.

But what's your point?
Posted by Kajuntiger121110
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:01 am to
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That puts a 5 year scholarship at a quarter of a million dollars.

is that really not enough money to play football?


That's nothing compared to what the athletes are making for the school. Plus they put their bodies on the line every practice and every game. They literally can not get a job to make themselves money
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:03 am to
Not being compensated while working a performance-based job is kind of crazy, don't you think?

The market & your performance determines your worth. Again, college football is big, big business.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:13 am to
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would you work for free if someone paid your lodging and health insurance?
99.9% of colleges athletes are being grossly overpaid if you want to truly compare it to the corporate world

Very very very few college athletes actually make more money for the university than what they cost

For example LSU spent roughly 200k on me total and I made them $0
This post was edited on 12/7/24 at 10:14 am
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:14 am to
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99.9% of colleges athletes are being grossly overpaid if you want to truly compare it to the corporate world




cause you say so?
Posted by rintintin
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:15 am to
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Not being compensated while working a performance-based job is kind of crazy, don't you think?


Obviously, hundreds of thousands of student athletes found enough value in it to voluntarily sign up for it.

So, again, your original premise is kind of moot.

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The market & your performance determines your worth. Again, college football is big, big business.


Now that the can has been opened up, I agree with this and I don't fault the players for chasing money.

My contention is that there is enough value in college sports where it's not needed. And historically that has been proven due to the number of voluntary college athletes. Acting like it was some unfair agreement is silly.
This post was edited on 12/7/24 at 10:19 am
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 10:15 am to
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cause you say so?


Every single Olympic sport athlete, every single non football star, every single women’s athlete, and 99% of baseball players as well lose roughly $750000 a year for the university…..

Do you not actually know that?

And even the money makers are hugely dependent on the universities brand. For example look at Johnny Manziel. Was he worth money? Yes, but his worth was HUGELY tied to A&M’s image and likeness. Want proof? Is his value worth a shite right now on his own?
This post was edited on 12/7/24 at 10:21 am
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