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re: Our 4-2-5 Defense VS The Bama Wildcat
Posted on 10/28/10 at 8:14 pm to Carlos
Posted on 10/28/10 at 8:14 pm to Carlos
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2007 was the only year our offense did anything against them during the Saban era. And our offensive performance has gotten worse against them all 3 years.
Ok maybe its because I tend to watch each game 5 or 6 times, but it sure seems like my memory of games from previous years differs from guys like you.
We whipped Sabans first team pretty bad on offense in 2007. They managed to keep the game close by scoring a lot themselves.
In 2008 and 2009 Bama possessed defenses which were among some of the best ever at their school. Even with us having two of the worst QB's we've had in quite sometime, we managed to do well enough on offense in both the last two years to take them to OT in 08 and get robbed in 09.
Did we play great offensively in the last two games, no, but they didn't totally dominate us either. It's the same guys dude, they have a weaker defense than they had the last two years and we are slightly better on offense, not much but slightly.
It just seems like its the "whiney baby mentality" that sets it and makes you lose all perspective and forget what has gone before.
I'm not a Crowton fan, but he has shown that he isn't afraid to call for the deep fade when Bama shows blitz, and that is the weakness of any Saban defense. Lee is good at that throw and we have the receivers for it, that tends to slow down Saban's blitz calls.
So just take a chill pill and a few deep breaths and remember that its a game that is almost always close between these two teams and the home team "usually" wins. It's not David against Goliath, not even close!
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Posted on 10/28/10 at 8:22 pm to JW1LL
Did we run a 4-2-5 last week 
Posted on 10/28/10 at 8:24 pm to alange
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Did we run a 4-2-5 last week
That or something like it. We had five wide and six in the box almost all night.
Posted on 10/28/10 at 8:26 pm to chilge1
Y'all know a 4-2-5 is 4 safeties right? Trex isn't a safety. His mustang blitzes got picked up EVERYTIME by the AU OL
Posted on 10/28/10 at 8:28 pm to alange
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Trex isn't a safety
No, he's a dinosaur.
Posted on 10/28/10 at 8:28 pm to chilge1
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don't have an opinion as to what he SHOULD have done. All I know is that if something doesn't work, you adjust to something that might.
Gotta love it when people declare it a "poor scheme" then say they have no idea what they SHOULD have done, just something different. Fact is, you don't know what they did either...except get beat. Sound "schemes" get beat every day. EVERY DAY.
Posted on 10/28/10 at 8:29 pm to Buck Sweep
That's fine. But when you're clearly getting beat by it, you change it at halftime. I'm not a coordinator. I don't know what SHOULD have been done, but some adjustment should have been made and it wasn't.
Posted on 10/28/10 at 8:33 pm to alange
Yes, we run it every week, eventhough they announce the starting lineups as a 4-3.
4: Adams(Mingo),Nevis,Levingston,Edwards
2: Baker(Francois),Sheppard
5: Peterson,Claibourne,Mathieu,Taylor,Hatcher(Eugene)
4: Adams(Mingo),Nevis,Levingston,Edwards
2: Baker(Francois),Sheppard
5: Peterson,Claibourne,Mathieu,Taylor,Hatcher(Eugene)
Posted on 10/28/10 at 8:34 pm to chilge1
We mightve looked like a 425 formation wise, but the personnel was not. PP, and Mo at corner. The secondary would have to be KH, BT, Jai and Poppa. Linebackers Shep and Baker/Minter/Maclin. I don't recall seeing anything like that. I didn't think the scheme was at all bad, but the personnel could not tackle that damn ogre. This is why I think UGA and Bama beat Auburn. Their personnel match up better, and a 3-4 scheme CAN immobilize a mobile QB if the DE's don't get pushed out of their lanes. Aub's OL is good, so I wouldn't bet agains that happening.
Posted on 10/28/10 at 8:35 pm to JW1LL
and a 4-2-5 is 4 linemen 2 Lbs and 5 Dbs
Posted on 10/28/10 at 8:38 pm to chilge1
quote:
That's fine. But when you're clearly getting beat by it, you change it at halftime. I'm not a coordinator. I don't know what SHOULD have been done, but some adjustment should have been made and it wasn't.
Actually, y'all did make "adjustments". They were taken advantage of. It wasn't any problem with scheme. And coaches don't simply go in the locker room and draw up shite on the board that they have never run, or practiced. I know people think they do that at half time...it's not true. DCs have packages of base fronts to match personnel packages of the offense...all of which are sound from having all the gaps covered. They have blitzes they have worked on. They have coverages they've worked on...maybe some they've put in just for what they saw in film going in. That's it...you don't choose from a grab bag of plays in real football like you do in Play Station.
On the TD run by McCaleb y'all had made an "adjustment" with your DE that caused Cam to give the ball instead of keep...you're Will LB had been moved to be the contain man, and got blocked by a WR...your Safety flew down hard and filled perfectly in his wide gap...and whiffed the tackle. Fault not of scheme....fault of Will LB not containing due to being blocked by a WR, and fault of S not making a tackle that would have resulted in a short gain, if any.
Posted on 10/28/10 at 8:43 pm to Buck Sweep
by the way...I think y'all match up well with bama in terms of your D vs their Off. SC did, and y'all have a much better secondary. The problem will be LSU scoring.
Posted on 10/28/10 at 8:45 pm to Carlos
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We'll be able to contain them just like we somewhat contained Auburn's offense. Our offense will dig us in a hole, and Alabama's superior field position throughout the game will be our undoing.
Superior field position of the opponent? Did you watch the same game I did?
Posted on 10/28/10 at 8:46 pm to chilge1
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WHAT?!
The "somewhat" qualifier means we kept them off the scoreboard, reasonably under the circumstances. It's true, and we still lost, but any sort of consistent execution by the offense and we win the game, perhaps convincingly.
Posted on 10/28/10 at 8:51 pm to Buck Sweep
Your Right Buck, its called a "monster" package. A team i played against in college ran it , We actually ran the same offense too when i was there because i was a dual threat QB too . Coach Fran loved it but the best Defense that gave us trouble was either a cover bear man-zone, a 4-4, and a 3-4.
Posted on 10/28/10 at 8:55 pm to JW1LL
what did y'all do offensively?
Posted on 10/28/10 at 9:00 pm to Buck Sweep
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what did y'all do offensively?
That one drive, and the trick play. Does "punting" count as offense? (I didn't think so.)
Posted on 10/28/10 at 9:02 pm to Ace Midnight
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That one drive, and the trick play. Does "punting" count as offense? (I didn't think so.)
Was asking jwill what he did in college offensively.
Posted on 10/28/10 at 9:04 pm to JW1LL
We don't have to run anything complicated to beat Bama. This is going to be a game more of "My guys against your guys; lets see who's better." We need to just go in and hit Ingram and Richardson in the mouth. Blitzing SHOULD get the job done. And we shouldn't have to worry too much about the passing game because I think PP7 and his DBs can handle Julio and Maze.
Posted on 10/28/10 at 9:07 pm to Buck Sweep
I played at the same JUCO as Cam, but years before. We ran a Spread with zone reads too it was almost an LSU/Auburn combo to best explain it. Can't really go into much details, you never know who's on here and they're still running it but Cam ran almost ran the Exact same offense in JUCO, the OC for Auburn actually changed his offense a lil up for Cam when he recruited him. That's why Cam chose Auburn. The summer before, he was telling me how excited he was.
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