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re: Orgeron: It's going to look different, because it is different

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Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 2:31 pm to
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Yes. This is my considered opinion regarding the O haters. And I just said it.


So, no. You can't cite an example. Good talk.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 2:32 pm to
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Had we be winning the West those years, you think they're firing Miles because it wasn't pretty?




f no

we will take hardware anyway we can get it

i have stated this to rickydaddy many times here.
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 2:34 pm to
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I’m not saying a top 10 ranking doesn’t speak well, it just doesn’t speak as loudly as it once did



Ok. Gotcha.


Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 2:34 pm to
SI

5. Ed Orgeron's seat heats up
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LSU has a nasty schedule too, including a neutral site game against Miami and trip to Auburn in the first three weeks. October features crossover games against Florida and Georgia. All that comes before tough games against Mississippi State, Alabama and Texas A&M. Assuming the other five games are wins, how many of those seven games mentioned do you think the Tigers win?

Posted by Damone
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 2:36 pm to
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Here’s another fact, the 2016 offensive recruiting class produced one regular offensive starter.

I wanted to dive back into this propaganda a little further.

The 2016 class had 26 recruits.

Of those 26, only 10 were offensive players:

Stephen Sullivan WR
Drake Davis WR
Devin White RB (yes, listed as a RB)
Donavaughn Campbell OG
Willie Allen OT
Dee Anderson WR
Jamal Pettigrew TE
Lindsey Scott QB
Jakori Savage OT
Lloyd Cushenberry OG

Right off the bat, White was moved to LB by Miles' staff (an excellent move). Savage was moved to DL. So it's really only 8 players who could have made an impact on offense. Lindsey Scott transferred after his freshman season. Willie Allen transferred after his freshman season(blocked from going to TCU). Drake Davis was kicked off the team after his sophomore season. That leaves you five guys who could contribute.

Cushenberry redshirted his freshman year. Played in 11 games in 2017 and started all 13 games in 2018.

Anderson played in 31 games from 2016-2018. In 2018 he started four games, caught 20 for 274 yards and a TD. The numbers for Anderson mirror essentially those of all four WRs after Jefferson.

Sullivan played in 34 games from 2016-2018. In 2018 he caught 23 for 363 yards and 2 TDs. Sullivan was the second most productive WR on the team after Jefferson. He and Anderson accounted for nearly 1/5 of Burrow's TD passes.

Pettigrew redshirted his freshman year, played in all 13 games in the 2017 season and blew out his ACL prior to the 2018 season and did not participate.

Campbell is depth, started against Ole Miss and played in three games.

Five spots got you a #2 WR, another contributing WR, a starting OG, a depth OG and an athletic TE who has been injured.

The 2016 haul also included defensive players who combined to start 78 games for LSU in 2018, but that is intentionally ignored by the "MUH ONE OFFENSIVE STARTER!" line.
This post was edited on 5/7/19 at 2:49 pm
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 2:38 pm to
Can't wait to see the response to all that.
Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 2:38 pm to
I'm sure this lengthy, fact-filled post will be met with a vaguely threatening insult from bencoleman and something about your reading comprehension abilities from RogerTheCucker
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 2:39 pm to
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I’m not saying a top 10 ranking doesn’t speak well, it just doesn’t speak as loudly as it once did
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Ok. Gotcha.


It's one of those things that will change when Orgeron is gone. Top 10 will again be important.
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 2:42 pm to
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Who has said he would be fired for 9-3 this year?


No one



Damone has said repeatedly that another 10 and 3 season and Woodward would start looking.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 2:44 pm to
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Damone has said repeatedly that another 10 and 3 season and Woodward would start looking.




"Start looking" does not equal "firing him after 9-3." It means the seat is warming up, as just about everyone agrees. Even for you this is a weak take.
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 2:47 pm to
Lyin' Ben is at it again! I said that it's POSSIBLE for LSU to move on from a coach who goes 10-3, as evidence by the firing of one Leslie Edwin Miles.
Posted by Buckeye Jeaux
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 2:48 pm to
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"Start looking" does not equal "firing him after 9-3." It means the seat is warming up, as just about everyone agrees. Even for you this is a weak take.
Primed for firing. Same difference.
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 2:48 pm to
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I wanted to dive back into this propaganda a little further.

The 2016 class had 26 recruits.

Of those 26, only 10 were offensive players:

Stephen Sullivan WR
Drake Davis WR
Devin White RB (yes, listed as a RB)
Donavaughn Campbell OG
Willie Allen OT
Dee Anderson WR
Jamal Pettigrew TE
Lindsey Scott QB
Jakori Savage OT
Lloyd Cushenberry OG

Right off the bat, White was moved to LB by Miles' staff (an excellent move). Savage was moved to DL. So it's really only 8 players who could have made an impact on offense. Lindsey Scott transferred after his freshman season. Willie Allen transferred after his freshman season(blocked from going to TCU). Drake Davis was kicked off the team after his sophomore season. That leaves you five guys who could contribute.

Cushenberry redshirted his freshman year. Played in 11 games in 2017 and started all 13 games in 2018.

Anderson played in 31 games from 2016-2018. In 2018 he caught 20 for 274 yards and a TD. The numbers for Anderson mirror essentially those of all four WRs after Jefferson.

Sullivan played in 34 games from 2016-2018. In 2018 he caught 23 for 363 yards and 2 TDs. Sullivan was the second most productive WR on the team after Jefferson. He and Anderson accounted for nearly 1/5 of Burrow's TD passes.

Pettigrew redshirted his freshman year, played in all 13 games in the 2017 season and blew out his ACL prior to the 2018 season and did not participate.

Campbell is depth, started against Ole Miss and played in three games.

Five spots got you a #2 WR, another contributing WR, a starting OG, a depth OG and an athletic TE who has been injured.

The 2016 haul also included defensive players who combined to start 78 games for LSU in 2018, but that is intentionally ignored by the "MUH ONE OFFENSIVE STARTER!" line



So what are you trying to prove? That the offense got one or two starters from the 2016 class? I'm not sure that I would hang my hat on this class if I were trying to prove that LSU had offensive talent available to pull out of the 2016 haul. Maybe I'm missing a point in there somewhere. If not you haven't helped yours or the general moron argument.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 2:49 pm to
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Primed for firing. Same difference.


No, it's not. Like at all.
Posted by Le Tenia
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 2:49 pm to
Cherry picking Vegas at 7 wins total? BTW, I used some of the same links that Demoan used to be fair and these links were basically sequential in a search. Did you even look at them because I wasn't trying to smoke and mirror you?

Over/under this season 9 wins by early Vegas. I've also seen LSU favored to win 10 games, not Bama & UF, finishing 2nd in the West. UF was 48% win probability.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 2:50 pm to
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Maybe I'm missing a point in there somewhere


Nah, that would be impossible.
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the general moron argument


You really need new material.

No one is shocked you don't have an actual response other than insults for that post though.
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 2:50 pm to
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I'm sure this lengthy, fact-filled post will be met with a vaguely threatening insult from bencoleman and something about your reading comprehension abilities from RogerTheCucker



I guess the reading comprehension problem is mine. What is he trying to prove? What we've been saying all year.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 2:51 pm to
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Cherry picking Vegas at 7 wins total?


Vegas is always right...
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Did you even look at them because I wasn't trying to smoke and mirror you?




Based on your quotes I assumed you were just posting the negatives ones. I apologize for that, but you sure seem like you were just trying to piggyback on the low expectation crowd.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 2:53 pm to
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will be met with a vaguely threatening insult from bencoleman


what's new? it is all he has. just ask chicken.

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something about your reading comprehension abilities from RogerTheCucker




Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 5/7/19 at 2:54 pm to
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what's new? it is all he has. just ask chicken



Yeah we see what you're contributing. Not a damned thing.
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