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re: Orgeron: It's going to look different, because it is different
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:03 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:03 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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And if the recruiting is done by geographically determined territories (most programs are), the effectiveness of the territory recruiter has a big impact.
Correct. One job of the RC is to divide territory and assign recruiters.
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:15 am to Damone
“ O had a leg up”
Leg? Hell, he had a leg, hip, and part of his chest up. It’s strange some want to act as if Coach O got off the plane from Minnesota in January 2017 with absolutely no understanding of Louisiana, the SEC, or LSU rather than a guy on staff since 2015 and a guy in positions of high responsibility since about the same time.
The idea that some people actually believe it’s miles fault for the running backs LSU put on the feild in 2018 is amusing.
Leg? Hell, he had a leg, hip, and part of his chest up. It’s strange some want to act as if Coach O got off the plane from Minnesota in January 2017 with absolutely no understanding of Louisiana, the SEC, or LSU rather than a guy on staff since 2015 and a guy in positions of high responsibility since about the same time.
The idea that some people actually believe it’s miles fault for the running backs LSU put on the feild in 2018 is amusing.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:18 am to bencoleman
Maybe Les didn't trust O like he did Frank Wilson? Maybe he wasn't good enough?
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As recruiting coordinator, O would have been in touch with essentially all of the recruits that LSU was going after. It's not like he was plopped down in a brand new job having to quickly create relationships on the fly. And it doesn't change the fact that the 2018 class was so much worse than the 2017 class.
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Just a few weeks ago, LSU running backs coach and recruiting coordinator Frank Wilson was getting buzz as a head coaching candidate, saying all you need to know about his prowess in both coaching and filling out rosters. Not only is he the man responsible for coordinating LSU’s dominant running game, he’s the point man for everything recruiting for Les Miles’ staff. He’s key to LSU’s recruiting in the New Orleans area and throughout Louisiana, but he’s brought in recruits from Florida, Texas and California as well.
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He arrived on campus in time to close the deal on a handful of 2010 recruits and is well on his way to helping LSU's coaching staff successfully mine one of the most talented in-state classes ever.
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"Being able to identify what motivates, makes that prospect click or go is important, " Wilson said. "To key in on it and have a genuine relationship with that student-athlete, that type of chemistry. It varies in each kid.
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Wilson has plenty of work to do at LSU before that happens.
"So many prospects that are high profile nationally at their respective positions, " Wilson said. "Usually you have two or three; we've got eight or nine. We're fending off everybody else, and they are coming with every sales pitch and reason why the kid should leave."
As recruiting coordinator, O would have been in touch with essentially all of the recruits that LSU was going after. It's not like he was plopped down in a brand new job having to quickly create relationships on the fly. And it doesn't change the fact that the 2018 class was so much worse than the 2017 class.
This post was edited on 5/6/19 at 10:19 am
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:18 am to Lonnie4LSU
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The idea that some people actually believe it’s miles fault for the running backs LSU put on the feild in 2018 is amusing.
It's both Miles and Orgeron.
Should. Have grabbed a better RB in 2018 though for sure.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:19 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Should. Have grabbed a better RB in 2018 though for sure.
Should have signed A running back in 2017 for sure.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:22 am to Damone
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Should have signed A running back in 2017 for sure.
Kinda hard to blame Orgeron for not getting a RB in 2017 given that he was hired in late November of 2016, two months before signing day.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:23 am to RogerTheShrubber
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It's both Miles and Orgeron.
Should. Have grabbed a better RB in 2018 though for sure.
It's Miles's fault when he got canned a month into 2016?
Maybe let him finish his recruiting class and then blame him. Alleva firing him threw the entire class into chaos.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:27 am to Goldrush25
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It's Miles's fault when he got canned a month into 2016?
LSU's 2020 class is over half full now and the season hasn't started. The 2017 class was 3/4 complete before Miles was fired.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:27 am to Goldrush25
Miles only signed the #2 class in 2016, clearly he had lost a step and wasn't leaving O anything to work with.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:28 am to Damone
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He arrived on campus in time to close the deal on a handful of 2010 recruits and is well on his way to helping LSU's coaching staff successfully mine one of the most talented in-state classes ever.
Sportswriters may actually know less about the functions of an RC than Damone does. - I'll allow that.
This post was edited on 5/6/19 at 10:31 am
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:29 am to Damone
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:30 am to Damone
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Miles only signed the #2 class in 2016
and we netted one regular offensive starter out of that class, Cushenberry, the one he offered on signing day after missing out on another prospect.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:33 am to Damone
quote:So the #2 ranking goes on Miles' side of the ledger (I agree) - But the lack of RBs is O's fault? LOL
Miles only signed the #2 class in 2016, clearly he had lost a step and wasn't leaving O anything to work with.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:37 am to The First Cut
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and we netted one regular offensive starter out of that class, Cushenberry, the one he offered on signing day after missing out on another prospect.
Well if we're judging production, maybe we should start looking at the 2018 class
LSU's 2018 Signing Class Isn't Looking Great
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Of 22 signees, five are already out of the program. Nearly one quarter of the entire signing class never so much as contributed a useful snap. That’s a massive amount of dead weight after a single year. It’s not an uncommonly high number over the life of a signing class, but you never want to see 25% of a previous year’s signing class off the roster within a single season. It gets uglier.
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There’s a hidden layer here that many may not yet be considering: Orgeron’s willingness to turn over the roster more expeditiously than Miles. In the Miles era, it was rare to see players transfer out just a year into their careers. Two, three years down the road, after the players never contributed, they would ultimately leave. O seems less concerned with that PR game. Of the 2018 guys that left already, only Davin Cotton was really one they fought to keep. That’s probably the best case hope here, because right now, losing so many players you signed just one year ago doesn’t portend well to the class’ overall success in the future.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:39 am to Damone
I think everyone agrees that the 2018 class was down. Contrary to that, you Miles apologists hide behind the 2016 class ranking without acknowledging the high number of busts from that class.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:41 am to Damone
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Damone
i'm not seeing an issue with the turnover. i think the coaches know pretty damn quickly if a players has the ability and desire to play on this level. they can see it much easier now that the competition has become so much more intense from high school to all college players.
as long as those leaving the program arent blowing up anywhere else
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:45 am to Damone
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Should have signed A running back in 2017 for sure.
He did
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:46 am to RogerTheShrubber
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He did
CEH was Miles' commit, just saying.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:51 am to The First Cut
I'm not a Miles apologist and have stated multiple times that he should have been let go following the 2015 season. I simply don't allow the current regime to pass the blame to the prior, when it is made up of many of the same people and was sold to the fanbase as an immediate upgrade that was ready to compete for championships from day one.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:55 am to Damone
Well the offensive production of the 2016 is nothing to brag on, in fact it's abysmal. Continuing to state that it was the #2 class in the country is a Ricky tactic.
Similar misrepresentations are made about the 2017 class. The class was 3/4 full when Miles was fired. As an interim coach you're only a surrogate, keeping the status quo until a permanent hire is made. Orgeron was ultimately hired in late November of 2016 - two months and a few days before signing day. 2017 was not his 'first' class, 2018 was.
Similar misrepresentations are made about the 2017 class. The class was 3/4 full when Miles was fired. As an interim coach you're only a surrogate, keeping the status quo until a permanent hire is made. Orgeron was ultimately hired in late November of 2016 - two months and a few days before signing day. 2017 was not his 'first' class, 2018 was.
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