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re: Orgeron did better in his first season than Saban did in his 3rd?
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:22 pm to RedTigerRulz
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:22 pm to RedTigerRulz
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1. Could not beat Bama 2. Offensive stubbornness 3. Back to back marginal seasons...by his standards
And none of this has changed, but he's not thinking about firing O.
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Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:23 pm to RedTigerRulz
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so you're implying that that was a direct causal connection between 2008/09 seasons and subsequent rebound and what MIGHT happen in the future.
Great.
No, I'm laughing at your silly statement and apparent misunderstanding of evidence.
This post was edited on 4/27/18 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:24 pm to RedTigerRulz
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so you're implying that that was a direct causal connection between 2008/09 seasons and subsequent rebound and what MIGHT happen in the future.
I find it interesting that you once believed Orgeron could be a good coach despite not having seen it, yet you have a problem thinking that Les could turn things around, AFTER HE'D ALREADY DONE IT BEFORE.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:25 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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EXCEPT THAT HE HAD ALREADY DONE IT
8 years ago when he was a different coach. Your WANT for him to still be here/succeed is negating common sense.
YOU SAID IT WAS TIME FOR HIM TO GO..you said this....more than once.....are you now waffling on that position?
By stating this, you implied he was not performing at his previous level.
If you're correct....why is the man currently unemployed and bilking this school out of millions?
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:29 pm to RedTigerRulz
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why is the man currently unemployed and bilking this school out of millions?
Idiotic talking point.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:29 pm to Goldrush25
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you once believed Orgeron was a new/different coach who might succeed here despite not having seen it
FIFY!
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that Les could turn things around, AFTER HE'D ALREADY DONE IT BEFORE.
Because we were heading in the right direction when he was canned? Is that what you are saying?
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:30 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Idiotic talking point.
Why? Because it hurts your feelings?
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:31 pm to RedTigerRulz
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FIFY!
That's not any better. Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:31 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Why? Because it hurts your feelings?
Why would it hurt my feelings?
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:32 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Because we were heading in the right direction when he was canned? Is that what you are saying?
That's the nature of college football. Most teams go through ebbs and flows. There's only one beast that's trucking ahead at the same rate every year.
It's why I think people are idiotic for thinking Jimbo's a bad coach all of a sudden because he had a bad year.
This post was edited on 4/27/18 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:33 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Idiotic talking point. Why? Because it hurts your feelings?
No, it’s idiotic because that he’s now no longer coaching at 64 or so doesn’t mean he never was any good. Very few if any coaches get new jobs at that age
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:40 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Because we were heading in the right direction when he was canned? Is that what you are saying?
no because he had already proven he could turn it around. miles was fired because winning 10 games wasnt enough.
have yoh forgotten your stance for the last 5 years?
youre changing it now in case O wins 10 games you can call it success
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:43 pm to RedTigerRulz
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you're correct....why is the man currently unemployed and bilking this school out of millions
because he is 64. there are 2 p5 coaches in cfb as older than that.
again, youre letting your hate for miles make you look foolish.
youre literally on here saying," something happening is not proof it CAN happen."
good god.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:43 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Again we see the CheeriOs are incapable of rational debate and actually believe their own false narrative
Actually, I am a realist! If LSU is not doing well I want change, if LSU is doing well I want more of the same. Right now you have no clue whether or not LSU is doing well or not in the football program there isn't enough evidence to bolster an argument either way. So instead of ripping down a program and a Coach that at this point you literally don't have enough evidence to say that LSU will falter if O is at the helm to bad mouth him and his staff to ask for a change, I am going to support our coaching staff and football program until I see proof I should change my opinion. A Nega-Tiger would rather see O fail so their own narrative wins out to prove they are right then hope for LSU to succeed and prove them wrong.
At present Coach O went 6-2 as an interim coach and 9-4 "6-2 in the SEC" as our HC. With that record there isn't sufficient evidence yet to prove that Coach O is not the coach to bring us back to where we want to be. You haven't even given the man a chance to have his first full recruiting class to hit the field and the Nega-Tigers want his head.
The difference is I am smart enough to understand money and business and realize that unless Coach O does something like Andy Cannizzaro did he is going to be our coach at least through the 2019 season. So because I KNOW and UNDERSTAND that, I am smart enough to support the Tigers and Coach O at this point in time because NOTHING any of us do or say is going to change that fact!!! There will be PLENTY enough time down the road to rip Coach O if the 2019 season turns into a disaster or he completely whiffs on recruiting in-state this year. Right now I would rather support LSU, our football program and our football staff until there is reason not to.
This post was edited on 4/27/18 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:47 pm to RedTigerRulz
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And for the record, had he won 10 games either of his last two full years and beat Bama even once in the last six, he'd still be here IMO....and I'd be ok with that.
Everybody's aware that LSU only won 9 games in 2015, but that was the year that the McNeese State game was cancelled. I think it would safe to say that if that game had been played, Miles would have won 10 games that year.
And losing to Bama every year sucks, but since the 2011 season, they've only lost 9 games total.
2011: LSU
2012: Texas A&M
2013: Auburn & Oklahoma
2014: Ole Miss & Ohio State
2015: Ole Miss (Miles last full year)
2016: Clemson
2017: Auburn
So next to nobody is beating Alabama so far the past 7 years.
And as far as you being ok with Miles still being the head coach, well damn Red, that's just laughable. You have been one of the more vocal fans as far as tearing the man down, from press conferences, to game decision, to wins and losses, and everything in-between.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:49 pm to H-Town Tiger
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it’s idiotic because that he’s now no longer coaching at 64 or so doesn’t mean he never was any good
Age is relative. If a guy stills has it....teams will take a chance if the guy is a proven winner.
You say Miles is a proven winner...ok..so...hello out there?
Miles/Snyder/hell even Solich at Ohio could all get other gigs if they left their respective schools in search of work.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:52 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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youre changing it now in case O wins 10 games you can call it success
paranoid delusion is not pretty on you Rick. I want O gone. This has nothing to do with O. We're talking about Miles and how you have suddenly changed your position on him.
You have conveniently ignored my questions about your original position on Miles being fired. Don't talk to me anymore about changing.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 12:59 pm to earl keese
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they've only lost 9 games total.
This is classic excuse making at its finest Earl.
If we were equal in talent with Bama as the miles nutsuckers claim we were...then we should have beaten them at least once in that span.
That only leaves one logical conclusion.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 1:05 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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something happening is not proof it CAN happen."
anything CAN happen...hell I could hit the powerball but the odds are against it.
I said...before you twisted my words...there's no way to know for sure. You're just being obtuse now.
Posted on 4/27/18 at 1:25 pm to RedTigerRulz
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This is classic excuse making at its finest Earl.
I'm not making any excuses Red. I can truthfully admit that Saban is a better coach than Miles. Their records prove that.
Now that being said, I believe Miles was easily in the top 10 when he was coaching and I also believe Saban isn't quite as good as he's made out to be. Saban has been given more than his fair share of breaks at Bama in my opinion. But he has been able to take advantage of those breaks.
And I believe it was time to part ways with Miles. I've always felt that he should have been let go at the end of the 2015 season. Before the bowl game, after the bowl game, it doesn't matter.
But my line of thinking isn't solely about Miles coaching abilities. My opinion is once Alleva turned his back on Miles during the 2015 November collapse, there was no turning back. There was no way the two of them would be able to have a successful working relationship.
And Alleva proved that by canning Miles after a 2-2 start to start the 2016 season. Only to name Miles defensive line coach the interim head coach and then to hire him as the head coach.
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