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re: Ok, honest question: Would we be 10-0 if JJ had started the season?
Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:11 am to MandevilleLSUTiger
Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:11 am to MandevilleLSUTiger
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inability to make quick decisions
This is all you need to know. Too many f ups in the last few years and you can't blame Crowton or Les for that. A quarterback should have some instinct to lead and make judgment calls when the game is on the line, and that my friend is where JL is much more superior to JJ. He may throw a pick, but I bet he's not looking to the sidelines wondering what to do while the clock goes 3...2...1
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Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:14 am to oleheat
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Now let me say this: IF starting JJ against WKU had something to do with Lee's performance against Bama- that is flat out wrong.
Why is that wrong? Other coached change quarterbacks like I change underwear. Lee stunk it up against Alabama and Jefferson won it. Jefferson deserved to start. Not that starting against WKU matters.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:15 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Pure unadulterated bullshite.
Seriously, where is the agenda in what I posted or asked?
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You have no clue what would have happened in the 2/3rds of the game left. 6 pts or 60 pts.
Exactly. That is what I am saying.
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Never said that. At all. LSU scored 6 points. 2 FG's in regulation. This is the only thing we know. The LSU defense held Bama to six pts and assuming it would be dramatically different is just...well, an assumption.
Yeah it is an assumption. But it is an assumption based on reason. The game changes if one qb played the whole time. Play calling, field position etc. which ultimately affects the position the defense is in, which affects the play calling of the other team.
All I am saying is that it is very, very likely it is an entire different game. Not definitely, but extremely likely.
This isn't about an agenda or better qb. I'm talking strictly game. You are reading my posts with a prejudice that you don't need.
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W/L is the whole godamned point of the thread.
True. But my comments are basically a thread hijack and I apologize for that
This post was edited on 11/15/11 at 10:19 am
Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:17 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:This is speculation.
LSU could have won with either QB
LSU won with JJ. Fact.
LSU could've won with JL, speculation.
LSU could've won with ZM, speculation.
Out of these 2, given the tangibles of the UA game, I'd even go so far as to say ZM would get better odds on a win. 2 INTs in 7 attempts is fairly compelling evidence against one of the speculations.
Hopefully JL emerges from whatever funk he's been in. There's a need for him to be in top form the rest of the way.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:18 am to Rza32
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Why is that wrong? Other coached change quarterbacks like I change underwear. Lee stunk it up against Alabama and Jefferson won it. Jefferson deserved to start. Not that starting against WKU matters.
Yeah I don't get that line of thinking either. Miles has to be the only coach that gets raked over the coals for a basic personnel change that in the long run doesn't matter at all.
The outrage is silly.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:19 am to Rza32
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Why is that wrong? Other coached change quarterbacks like I change underwear. Lee stunk it up against Alabama and Jefferson won it. Jefferson deserved to start. Not that starting against WKU matters.
Well if the standard is qb stinking it up for other qb to start then why did JJ continue to start during that horrific 7 game stretch last year?
Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:19 am to MandevilleLSUTiger
quote:There is no question that Jefferson got better starting with Bama.
Nice pick.
Those three games support your claim. Why not pick three from some other point in season?
Can't believe this thread is still alive.
You can slice it anyway that you want to slice it.
The facts remain the same: Jefferson progressed starting with the Bama game.
Let go of your anchor.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:22 am to Rudy40
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Well if the standard is qb stinking it up for other qb to start then why did JJ continue to start during that horrific 7 game stretch last year?
What does last year have to do with anything?
Does a coach have to make decisions based on what he did last year? That doesn't make any sense.
This is a different team than last years. Different set of circumstances.
Constantly bringing up last year is holding you back from accurately critiquing this years team.
Also both qbs have played better this year than in the past. Both are capable qbs. Harping on past failures is ridiculous when you can't admit to seeing improvements and better play.
This post was edited on 11/15/11 at 10:24 am
Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:26 am to Mayhawman
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Hopefully JL emerges from whatever funk he's been in. There's a need for him to be in top form the rest of the way.
it was one game. i wouldn;t call that a funk. he looked fine in the very limited action he had last week, including a slant pass for a td to boone that i doubt jj is able to make because he waits too long to throw the ball or see receivers that will be open before the ball is snapped. unfortunately, i feel that the bama game wrote his check for the rest of the season and we'll see very little of him unless jj screws up. will be similar roles to last season the rest of the way out imo
Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:28 am to BeeFense5
I was responding to his post that Lee stunk it up against Bama so Jefferson deserved to start. So if that is the case does it only apply when Lee is the starter? If so does 1 bad game by Lee more than equal 7 bad games by Jefferson? You would think consistency would be desired?????
Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:32 am to just me
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There is no question that Jefferson got better starting with Bama
he was 6/10 for 67 yards. half of those yards came on one play, a pass that should have been a td to shep because no one was even near him, but jj underthrew the ball and threw the ball way too late. lee has the ability to read when guys will be open and get rid of the ball at the right time. jj relies more on innate athletic ability rather than good quarterback instincts. he's a great athlete and allows him to make up for a lot of his indecisiveness. that 20 yard pass to landry last week was a perfect example. the there was a receiver wide open early in the play. jj didn't see it but was able to use his athleticism to escape the pressure and arm strength to be able to save the play and make the completion. regardless of what happened against bama, i still think lee gives us the better chance to win. the way bama was blitzing was just a better matchup to have jj in the game to keep the defense honest. we won't face another defense like that all season.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:35 am to BeeFense5
quote:That's how this works.
What does last year have to do with anything?
JJ- No 2009, no 2nd half 2010, no 2011. The 7 game slump stretch is only allowable evidence.
JL- No 2008, no LaTech, also any game he threw a completion in goes down in history as a JL win.
Both QBs have had their ups and downs.
I just hope they never have simultaneous slumps.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:37 am to lsufball19
quote:Not "starting with Bama" in 2011.quote:he was 6/10 for 67 yards. half of those yards came on one play, a pass that should have been a td to shep because no one was even near him, but jj underthrew the ball and threw the ball way too late. lee has the ability to read when guys will be open and get rid of the ball at the right time. jj relies more on innate athletic ability rather than good quarterback instincts. he's a great athlete and allows him to make up for a lot of his indecisiveness. that 20 yard pass to landry last week was a perfect example. the there was a receiver wide open early in the play. jj didn't see it but was able to use his athleticism to escape the pressure and arm strength to be able to save the play and make the completion. regardless of what happened against bama, i still think lee gives us the better chance to win. the way bama was blitzing was just a better matchup to have jj in the game to keep the defense honest. we won't face another defense like that all season.
There is no question that Jefferson got better starting with Bama
I'm saying that Jefferson got better starting with Bama in 2010.
Read this thread and let go of your anchors. They are holding you back.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:42 am to Mayhawman
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Well here are his stats from last year. In the last 7 games he had 3 games where he failed to exceed 52 yards passing and 2 of his 3 good games were with 2 weeks or more to prepare. Not a very good qb when given only a week to prepare. I guess the good part is Jordan wont have to face ULM or McNeese this year!
Well here are his stats from last year. In the last 7 games he had 3 games where he failed to exceed 52 yards passing and 2 of his 3 good games were with 2 weeks or more to prepare. Not a very good qb when given only a week to prepare. I guess the good part is Jordan wont have to face ULM or McNeese this year!
Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:43 am to just me
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Not "starting with Bama" in 2011.
I'm saying that Jefferson got better starting with Bama in 2010.
so you take essentially a 6 1/2 game stretch. last 4 games of last year, 1/2 of auburn this year, and then the last 2 games. JJ passed like 10 times before the Bama game this year, so you can't even really count those. What about the first 8 games this year where Lee did everything that was asked of him? Our passing game looked more effective than it ever has with JJ. Forget about yards, we were more efficient and ran a smoother offense with JL in the game than we ever have been with JJ.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:45 am to lsufball19
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so you take essentially a 6 1/2 game stretch. last 4 games of last year, 1/2 of auburn this year, and then the last 2 games. JJ passed like 10 times before the Bama game this year, so you can't even really count those. What about the first 8 games this year where Lee did everything that was asked of him? Our passing game looked more effective than it ever has with JJ. Forget about yards, we were more efficient and ran a smoother offense with JL in the game than we ever have been with JJ.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:47 am to BeeFense5
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Yeah it is an assumption. But it is an assumption based on reason. The game changes if one qb played the whole time. Play calling, field position etc. which ultimately affects the position the defense is in, which affects the play calling of the other team.
Play calling is on the coaching staff.
LSU could bey 10-0 with either QB on the roster and the other missing. I will suggest that LSU could be 10-0 with Mettenberger or possibly any heady player on the roster who can handle an offense.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:47 am to lsufball19
quote:Your bias is showing. JJ threw a slant to RR that should've been a TD instead of 1/2yd short of goal line.
he looked fine in the very limited action he had last week, including a slant pass for a td to boone that i doubt jj
Lee didn't look so great vs WKU to me 2/4 for 15yds. One happened to be a TD is all that makes it shine.
I remember one incompletion being a wounded duck that luckily no defender was close to. That's where my fear of a continued "funk" lies.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:48 am to lsufball19
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. What about the first 8 games this year where Lee did everything that was asked of him? Our passing game looked more effective than it ever has with JJ. Forget about yards, we were more efficient and ran a smoother offense with JL in the game than we ever have been with JJ.
Has a lot to do with competent offensive coaching and play calling.
Lee has done well at what he was asked to do this season. No one questions that. But that doesn't mean he has been perfect.
People are putting blinders on and will not see that both qbs have improved drastically this season. Both qbs have played well in what role they have been asked to.
Posted on 11/15/11 at 10:49 am to lsufball19
Dude you gotta know the JJ fanbois have to pick and choose the games and stats they use to defend their hero. They could never use an entire season. They say he got so much better down the stretch but he still had 3 very poor games out of the last 7 so they have to pick and choose the few games to make their point!
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