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Posted on 9/17/10 at 1:19 pm to fiyahbyrd157
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This is a graph I put together using stats from each QB in games where they have had greater than 10 attempts. Interpret however you like.

Posted on 9/17/10 at 1:22 pm to Housplants
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ce again, you are skewing the facts you claim to base your opinions on...
According to this statistical view, JJ appears to stretch the field a little better than JL.
Unfortunately, this method of analysis does not correct for completion percentage. JJ's is significantly higher than JL's, giving him a higher yds/attempt figure. Why don't you post yds/completion if you want to know who "stretches" the field better?
I somewhat agree with you. It's just that we haven't seen Lee be consistent throughout a game. He made some bonehead decisions, but unless the coaches have been blowing smoke up our asses, he has improved this offseason.
As for Jefferson, he never really hurt us but never really consistently made plays to win games for us last year. The defense was a fantastic improvement over '08.
Questions should be answered after the next couple of weeks. If Jefferson plays like he did against Vandy, although unlikely he will be that bad again, Lee needs to come in. If Jefferson is playing fine, I think Lee still needs to play. Nothing wrong with pushing Jefferson a little more, and really seeing what Lee has to offer in 2010.
Both quarterbacks make plays. Both quarterbacks have been inconsistent throughout games in their careers. At least we have experience
Posted on 9/17/10 at 1:24 pm to Housplants
quote:You would be telling an exponentially SMALLER part of the story with that stat, than with yds/att
Why don't you post yds/completion if you want to know who "stretches" the field better?
But I'll play:
Lee: ~13
JJ: ~12
just in my head.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 1:28 pm to Roaad
I sacrificed myself as post #666 here so no one else had to. Taking one for the team.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 1:30 pm to Roaad
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I bet you voted for George Bush.
As did most people...your point?
Posted on 9/17/10 at 1:34 pm to TigerWilson88
quote:His "for us or against us" mentality. . .
As did most people...your point?
On/Off
1/0
High/Low
Set/Unset
When discussing the QB position, to assume there are only 2 possible positions one can take is childish. . .because it is all a child can fathom.
Just like Bush
Posted on 9/17/10 at 1:35 pm to Roaad
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You would be telling an exponentially SMALLER part of the story with that stat, than with yds/att
But I'll play:
Lee: ~13
JJ: ~12
this. Plus, it really doesn't tell the whole picture. A screen pass that goes for 20 yds counts the same in these stats as a pass that travels 15 yards in the air. However, in the first scenario, the defense isn't stretched, and it brings far more focus by the Defense on the LOS.
This post was edited on 9/17/10 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 9/17/10 at 1:35 pm to Roaad
I do not disagree. Stats can be made to say what ever you want them to.
The simple fact is that the offense has sputtered badly since the 2nd half of the Peach bowl game with JJ at the helm, in spite of numbers that indicate that he is efficient. Those numbers don't take into account the multitude of sacks taken, passes that have no chance to convert 3rd downs, etc.
The simple fact is that the offense has sputtered badly since the 2nd half of the Peach bowl game with JJ at the helm, in spite of numbers that indicate that he is efficient. Those numbers don't take into account the multitude of sacks taken, passes that have no chance to convert 3rd downs, etc.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 1:37 pm to Roaad
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When discussing the QB position, to assume there are only 2 possible positions one can take is childish. . .because it is all a child can fathom.
I asked if the guy was 100% against starting Lee. I don't understand how anyone could be totally against him starting. Should I have phrased it differently, like "Do you think Lee should not be given playing time?"... ?
I was blasted for seemingly assuming that he was against Lee... based on the stats he was saying. So, I asked a question.
Sounds like you were assuming something there
Posted on 9/17/10 at 1:40 pm to Roaad
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On/Off
1/0
High/Low
Set/Unset
When discussing the QB position, to assume there are only 2 possible positions one can take is childish. . .because it is all a child can fathom.
Ok I'm with you
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Just like Bush
Never met the man. Don't know him personally. I'm not qualified to agree/disagree with this statement. He did come across as a poor public speaker to me though.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 1:43 pm to Boh
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was blasted for seemingly assuming that he was against Lee... based on the stats he was saying.
The guy did say that he was for lee playing if JJ stunk it up back a few pages FWIW. He just likes to make arguments that JJ doesn't suck as bad as the majority of us think he does and also that JL hasn't shown us enough to be named a started just yet. Correct me if I'm wrong, I've got my flamesuit on

Posted on 9/17/10 at 1:47 pm to TigerWilson88
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The guy did say that he was for lee playing if JJ stunk it up back a few pages FWIW. He just likes to make arguments that JJ doesn't suck as bad as the majority of us think he does and also that JL hasn't shown us enough to be named a started just yet. Correct me if I'm wrong, I've got my flamesuit on
No, you're right. I just jumped into the thread without reading a few pages back. Some posters got angry with me for this, and for assuming something.
That is generally my sentiment as well, I just don't like when some people want Lee or Jefferson in just because they hate the other. Didn't mean to imply that the guy felt this way, which is why I asked the ill-worded question. Both are our quarterbacks. Haters gonna hate, though
Posted on 9/17/10 at 1:58 pm to Roaad
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When discussing the QB position, to assume there are only 2 possible positions one can take is childish. . .because it is all a child can fathom.
Just like Bush
Take that shite to the political board douche bag.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 2:00 pm to crowbar832001
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Take that shite to the political board douche bag.

Posted on 9/17/10 at 2:06 pm to Boh
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No, you're right. I just jumped into the thread without reading a few pages back. Some posters got angry with me for this, and for assuming something.
That is generally my sentiment as well, I just don't like when some people want Lee or Jefferson in just because they hate the other. Didn't mean to imply that the guy felt this way, which is why I asked the ill-worded question. Both are our quarterbacks. Haters gonna hate, though

I don't hate Lee. I don't love Jefferson. I feel the same way about both of them. I hope they play well and win.
I want to see Lee play at least one possession every game. If the past is any indication, and there is no reason to ignore the past, LSU is going to need him to win a championship. LSU's starting QB has missed a game for at least the last three years.
And if Lee is better than Jefferson, I absolutely want Lee to play.
All I have been saying all along is that the decision about who should play should not be based upon emotion or gut feeling or some biased notion of the traits of a successful QB.
Posted on 9/17/10 at 2:15 pm to just me
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I don't hate Lee. I don't love Jefferson. I feel the same way about both of them. I hope they play well and win.
I want to see Lee play at least one possession every game. If the past is any indication, and there is no reason to ignore the past, LSU is going to need him to win a championship. LSU's starting QB has missed a game for at least the last three years.
And if Lee is better than Jefferson, I absolutely want Lee to play.
All I have been saying all along is that the decision about who should play should not be based upon emotion or gut feeling or some biased notion of the traits of a successful QB.

I'd give my thoughts, but it would just be restating what you posted

Posted on 9/17/10 at 2:21 pm to Roaad
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But I'll play:
Lee: ~13
JJ: ~12
just in my head.
Actual numbers:
Lee - 2086/160=13.08
JJ - 2832/241=11.75
The facts support Lee as completing longer passes. what the fans want to know, is can he stretch thoose numbers further when given sufficient reps
Lee; complete games = 7
JJ; complete games* = 15
*a complete game defined here as X was the starter, and played until the end of game, or until game was put away
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