re: Offensive breakdown from 2005-2012 and 3 questions

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Even if he wins a NC however, I still don't like Les.

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Good to see you, Tigahs.

Are you still working in the green energy business?

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I still don't like Les.

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Even if he never wins another NC I'll still like Les.

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Even if he never wins another NC I'll still like Les.

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No need to rewrite history based on Lee out performing JJ in 2011.

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Not rewriting...my opinion on what I saw. Lee wasn't prepared. I guess to satisfy you, I could have continued with "Senior Lee, with a strong D, ST, OL, run game and receivers, did well till the UA game where he basically curled up in a fetal position with a deer-in-the-headlights look'...which is true and why he lost his starting job. Jefferson had zero pocket presence and barely could make a 2nd read, which is also true. If anything Jefferson wasn't utilized properly. He would have been a great option QB with a sufficient passing threat to keep D's honest. He was never a good drop back QB.

Reading your post a 2nd time, the JJ/Lee thing seems kind of personal. Not everyone has an axe to grind man.

I can assure you there is nothing personal on my end. I've always supported both Lee and JJ, and saw them both as players with decent potential that was wasted by Gary Crowton as both got worse the longer they played under him.

But Jefferson had a very solid season in 09. A lot of us, myself included, tend to blur 08,09,and 2010 into a mess that we'd like to forget on our offense, but JJ was surprisingly good in 09 except for the Florida game.

That was unfortunately the biggest game of the year in primetime in BR against Tebow's defending national champs and the one everyone remembers the most along with the last series against Ole Miss which was when people truly started losing their minds about how bad the O had gotten.

But that game was the exception for JJ that year. The running game and OL was what killed our O all season, not to mention the beginning of Crowton's insane obsession with the short side option. This was even more frustrating considering JJ was LEAST effective running the option. He was a much better passer than runner in 09.

Strangely enough, JJ got better at running the option in 2010 because he had clearly worked on it all offseason. He clearly focused all his work on that, because his passing went WAY down from 09 to 2010.

Yet another example of Crowton failing to adapt his system and identify what his players do well leading to regression in his players.

I just don't like when people forget or twist history. Everyone is quick to say Lee was just not ready or blame the D in 08, but JJ doesn't get that same treatment about our awful OL and running game in 09.

Take a look at his numbers and you'll probably be surprised.

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If you're not axe grinding, my apologies. You just may need a reminder as to how 09 actually went down

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Miles took over the offense and effectively moved it away from being more pro-style and flexible, and created a whole new offense around JJ. This should be obvious to everyone. So it just wasn't the individual players that hurt the offense (as the 2008 numbers show); it was the system itself.

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Well Doc it's strange I can't recall any spread, or read option , until The Wiz arrived '07.
You do know that was his MO and implemented at numerous stops prior to LSU and after? (poor Danny boy)

Now just where was it Miles run the spread and read before arriving at LSU?

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But Jefferson had a very solid season in 09

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It was ok, except for throwing short of the sticks constantly (no progression) and poor pocket presence. Not sure all of that was his fault. Lee wouldn't have done any better though.

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The problem with 2009 was that our OL was the worst I've seen since 1999. We ran for 600 yards LESS in 09 than in 08. That was the problem in 09, not JJ or the passing game.

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I posted similar yesterday, adding the ones who think '08 wasn't so bad aren't considering 18 INTs worth of points off TOs LSU gave up, and the pressure put on a defense with the resulting field position.
The '09 D actually gave up more yardage than '08, prolly due to opponents actually having to drive down the field to score.

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Goddamn it people are so fricking stupid and dishonest it is comical. You defend Lee's historically bad 2008 by saying he was "ill prepared" but criticize JJs 09 season even though he was INFINITELY better than Jarret Lee in 2008.

It is complete revisionist history to pretend otherwise.

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You are so full of shite.

The biggest line of revisionist bullshite in the entire history of the Rant is the argument saying that JJ had a decent 2009. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, was fricking saying this in November 2009, and that's before the putrid offensive performance at Ole Miss occurred, Jack.

You have some poster in here talking about how JJ didn't have Charles Scott in '09 (which is obviously false), and then all these people talking about how much worse the O-line got in '09 than in '08. Oh really?

I remember that argument from 2009. Everybody threw Hebert & Dworaczyk under the bus for the entire offense's failures so that they wouldn't have to face the unimaginable--i.e., that Lee wasn't actually that bad. In this imaginary realm, Herman Johnson was supposed to be some awesome superstar at OG, and somehow people just forgot how bad Helms got tossed around like a rag doll by defenders from top defenses in 2008.

I consistently said this through 2009, and I'll say it again now: the 2009 passing offense was the worst LSU has had in the last decade. I laid it out in detail in terms of yards per pass play many times.

In his entire playing history, Jarrett Lee has one loss on his shoulders, and that's the game against #1 Alabama in 2008 that went to OT. For the season in general, he got hung out to dry by the coaching staff when he was asked to roll the dice in order to try to make up for Mallveto's deficiencies. That's what he was programmed to do given the situation he found himself in. Now I've got no problem at all with this approach if you're going to stick with him through it all. If you want to throw a freshmen into the fire to give yourself the best shot at pulling out improbable wins, then go ahead and do that. Seeking moral victories and protecting your QB in order to "do better next year" is pussified.

The problem is that after having made the decision to throw him into the very fire that could have steeled him and made him into the man at LSU for the rest of his career, Miles immediately turned around and dishonorably threw him under the bus as a scapegoat--this, after he just got finished putting up way more passing numbers than anyone could have reasonably expected for a freshman QB who was #3 on the depth chart the previous spring. (In his entire time at LSU, he never went through spring practice getting the most reps with the #1 offensive unit.) People who think he was the main problem in 2008 are just plain idiots. Always were, always will be. The same goes for people who think JJ was a decent QB in 2009. Either that or they are just too damn old to remember what actually happened.