re: No Respect for Les Miles

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I'm saying if the standard is if you're not Saban, you suck, then every coach alive sucks. Saban is the most accomplished coach in the nation. Miles is top 10, maybe top 5.

This is like thinking Vermeer is a crappy artist because of Rembrandt.

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You summarized this whole thread. For some reason folks are not able to say that Miles could be ranked higher than 24. They have stick their head up Saban's rear-end and feel bad.

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How much respect did Miles have on the RANT after the Ole Miss game in 2009?

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Just as much as Saban had after UAB or ULM games. You only remember what makes your argument.

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Interesting.

I'm curious, why don't you include the defensive rankings on the teams that Lee faced vs. the teams that JJ faced.

Any chance that has anything with the decrease in offensive production??

And also, why not throw Lee's stats against Bama in there seeing as how he started the first game, and we're discussing the game plan against, you know, Alabama??

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I only had an hour man and I spent more time doing that than planned. It's clear that people fall on one side of the fence or the other with Miles much like religion or politics. I don't have an agenda and I want what's best for LSU. I am mad, however, because I believe that Miles made some bad choices, choices I don't believe that I would have made in his shoes, like starting and playing Jefferson exclusively over Lee. Because my powers of deduction stop at what I perceive and believe and have no way of knowing what might have happened if choices that I would have approved of would have come to fruition, all I can do is speculate, but I believe that Miles choices cost the 2011 team dearly and I believe that the very basic numbers I crunched are representative of obvious perceivable problems with the team that should have been addressed in a more timely manner. Hopefully, the CC hire will finally fix what is actually and obviously broken (the offense for those of you with heads firmly buried in the sand or up Miles' arse).

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Just as much as Saban had after UAB or ULM games. You only remember what makes your argument.

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Were those losses early when Saban was still building the programs talent base?

How many on the RANT called for Miles to be fired after your win against Tennessee in 2010?

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He started a different quaterback than he did the first game. We also upped the pass to run ratio by over 33%.

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I'm aware he started a different QB. But throwin the ball 33% more you say I seriously doubt. He didn't trust Jefferson that much throwin, Jefferson was in there the second game because of his feet. He had him take a few shots down field in the game, but when he badly overthrew receivers had him go right back to tryin to run. He tried to employ that same option tactic against Bama that worked so well the first time as if Saban wouldn't have his Bama bitches prepared this time around.

I will say this though, if Ford doesn't idiotically run out of bounds the first game and scores the TD as he should have. Alabama is not in that title game as LSU beats them by a TD instead of a FG.

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How many on the RANT called for Miles to be fired after your win against Tennessee in 2010?

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Not nearly as many that celebrated when "Michigan Man" Miles pimp-slapped Jim Tressel and OSU for a national title.

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In a year Miles managed to lose 2 games

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In a year where every other coach did, as well.

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But throwin the ball 33% more you say I seriously doubt

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What I said was he raised the ratio of passing plays to running plays by over 33%. We passed 29% of the time (17 passes in 58 plays) against Bama in game 1 and 39% of the time (17 passes in 44 plays) in game 2.

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He had him take a few shots down field in the game, but when he badly overthrew receivers had him go right back to tryin to run.

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That's kind of my point. He tried a different approach and it didn't work. When the different approach didn't work, he went back to the old approach which did work the first time. Whether he should have tried the new approach longer or tried yet another different approach is not relevant to the determination of whether he tried anything different than the first time. That stuff only relates to a discussion of whether he tried enough different things.

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Alabama is not in that title game as LSU beats them by a TD instead of a FG.

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I'd agree. Considering that Bama snuck into that game by less than 1/100th of a point in the BCS standings, just about anything would have gotten Oklahoma State in.

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In a year Miles managed to lose 2 games.

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What other coach has won the NC with two losses?

None have been able to accomplish that since I've been alive.

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He doesn't adapt well offensively when the defense is shutting it down.

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You don't understand Miles' philosophy. He's a lineman himself, he knows what the OL can do to the DL over the course of 3 qtrs. Say he runs the ball for .5 ypr every down in the 1st, 2 ypr in the 2nd, 3.5 ypr in the 3rd, and 5 ypr in the 4th. If his defense can keep the game close, he can score in the 4th.

That's a simplification, but that's what it boils down to, ypr in the 4th qtr.

It can be frustrating to watch as a fan as field position battles take patience to appreciate. It looks like adjustments aren't being made, but they are, incrementally on the line.

As far as talent goes, yeah, everyone else has the talent, and we have to play each other, so that kind of balances out. LSU remains a steady #6 or so in recruiting, Bama 1-3. Most other top SEC teams hover in the 10-15 range with the occasional top 5 class. So, aside from Bama, the talent level is pretty even. And again, it's positional. Louisiana high school football doesn't prodce a lot of pro style QBs. We have to go out of state to places like Texas and Indiana to get quality QBs if we want to pass the ball.

So all that being equal, Miles still wins ballgames and championships against the competition better than most. It's due to the all around aspects of Miles' coaching style, not any one particular strength - recruting, Xs/Os...