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re: No Respect for Les Miles
Posted on 4/17/13 at 2:29 pm to tubucoco
Posted on 4/17/13 at 2:29 pm to tubucoco
quote:
But even so, LSU was still in that NC game all the way in the 4th qtr til a bottled in Richardson scored due to a tired, weary LSU defense
I've tried to address the complaints about Miles' game plan on 1/9 for over a year now, but TchoupotoulisTiger summed it up as well and more concisely than I've been able to:
quote:
Actually the game plan was the same that beat Bama in the first game, and the same plan that beat Arky at the end of the season, and the same game plan that beat UGA in the SECCG:
Run the ball right at them until the other team quits in the 4th quarter, play opportunistic defense and special teams.
Saban just shut it down and was able to line up equally talented and conditioned players.
So Miles wins 13 games with a particular game plan. THEN he goes to the BCSCG and suddenly he starts winging the ball all over the field against the #1 pass defense in the country - and proceeds to lose. Imagine the howling that would have come after THAT kind of game. "Why did he get away from what was working for him ALL season long???"
That's about as simple as it will ever be layer out for you constant Miles bashers. Get over it.
And yet even despite "Mile's bumbling, incompetent offense", like you said, the team that HE RECRUITED, COACHED, and PREPARED for that game was still able to keep that game within reach at 12-0 with a quarter to go.
THAT IS WHY HE NEVER WENT FULL RETARD and threw the QB in who has thrown 1 TD and SEVEN INTs in his career against that D, when that D was playing better than they EVER had.
He stuck with the game plan that got him there waiting for the D or ST to make a play like they had ALL YEAR LONG, but they just weren't able to.
Anyone who thinks Lee was going to come in and pick apart that D obviously didn't see Lee's shite stained look on the sidelines watching that rush arse rape our OL all night.
Miles not playing Lee was the biggest favor he ever did for him. So instead of throwing a couple of more picks like he did on 11/5, he now gets to go down as the poor martyr in LSU history while JJ is crucified for getting his arse beat the entire night.
Gotta love our "fans".
This post was edited on 4/17/13 at 2:33 pm
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Posted on 4/17/13 at 2:33 pm to tubucoco
quote:
tubucoco
is like most people and waits until after the outcome of a play to decide if it was a good call or not.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 2:33 pm to tubucoco
quote:Um, yes? Not sure what's so laughable about equating winning lots of games to good coaching, but if it amuses you go right ahead.
look how many games he's won" so that equates to good coaching to y'all??
quote:So he wins by rolling dice, and he wins by stubbornly sticking to running it down people's throats; but neither of those -- nor the combination of the two -- has anything to do with good coaching. Interesting.
Mile's has won games by rolling dice (as well as lost some) or stubbornly, steadfastly sticking to running it down people's throats to barely eek out wins, none of which has anything to do with good coaching.
Many people share a different opinion, namely that utilizing both strategies and demonstrating an ability to know when to utilize each one (as in the case of Miles, who does so to the tune of a winning percentage over 80%) has a whole lot to do with good coaching. Of course, those are mostly the same people who think winning has to do with good coaching.
Obviously, you disagree. I would say I'm curious what you think good coaching has to do with that isn't winning, utilizing successful strategies, or adapting your gameplan, but the truth is I'm not really that interested.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 2:34 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Everything you just wrote about that NC game is what's wrong with you Mile's affectionists. That's the biggest pile of crap you ever wanna read.
Stick with the gameplan that won him the first game.
Stick with the gameplan that won him the first game.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 2:35 pm to tubucoco
Well, this idiot still notices you didn't actually rebut my argument. I didn't say LSU's team was chopped liver, I'm pointing out Alabama's roster was that f'n loaded. LSU had the best secondary in team history in 2011. Alabama's was just as good and was just as loaded. So LSU's best poitional unit was actually matched by Bama.
Linebackers? Huge edge to Bama. D-line? Slight edge to LSU. Offensive line? Significant edge to Bama, though not as wide as the LB edge. Running backs? Well, that Trent Richardson guy was pretty good and won a few awards. I liked LSU's depth, but Bama had an edge. QB? The only position at which either team trotted out a negative, and Bama's was a rather large positive.
The only position at which LSU had a clear talent advantage was kicker/punter. Bama had FOUR players taken in the Draft's first round and eight overall. LSU had one first round pick and one contributor who will be taken in the 1st round this year (maybe two).
I stand by my statement. By every objective measure, Bama had more talent than LSU. Yet LSU beat Bama in Tuscaloosa. The idea that Miles just tries to "out-talent" teams is, as you say, asinine. LSU has no significant talent edge over other SEC powers, who also have great recruiting classes, and are behind Bama in talent, who has recruited better than anyone else in the nation.
Linebackers? Huge edge to Bama. D-line? Slight edge to LSU. Offensive line? Significant edge to Bama, though not as wide as the LB edge. Running backs? Well, that Trent Richardson guy was pretty good and won a few awards. I liked LSU's depth, but Bama had an edge. QB? The only position at which either team trotted out a negative, and Bama's was a rather large positive.
The only position at which LSU had a clear talent advantage was kicker/punter. Bama had FOUR players taken in the Draft's first round and eight overall. LSU had one first round pick and one contributor who will be taken in the 1st round this year (maybe two).
I stand by my statement. By every objective measure, Bama had more talent than LSU. Yet LSU beat Bama in Tuscaloosa. The idea that Miles just tries to "out-talent" teams is, as you say, asinine. LSU has no significant talent edge over other SEC powers, who also have great recruiting classes, and are behind Bama in talent, who has recruited better than anyone else in the nation.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 2:37 pm to King Joey
Neither am I interested Joey in your boring pyschological evaluations of what you think is behind the reasons of most peoples opinions and such.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 2:40 pm to Baloo
you people are useless to argue with because you pull more excuses out your asses then I can imagine. You said bama had a "massive" edge talent or did you forget that? what frickin ever.
This post was edited on 4/17/13 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 4/17/13 at 2:41 pm to tubucoco
quote:
Stick with the gameplan that won him the first game.
Well, more precisely, stick with the game plan that won him the first thirteen games of the season without a single loss.
But yeah, stick with that one.
And you didn't address Lee's chances for success against that D. I'd love to hear your explanation for why you think he would have found success against that D on 1/9 when he was so painfully unable to his entire career, including two months earlier when he almost single handedly gave Alabama the win turning the ball over twice despite only throwing 7 passes.
This post was edited on 4/17/13 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 4/17/13 at 2:41 pm to tubucoco
Well, considering I just demonstrated that Bama had a talent edge at nearly every positional unit... yeah. I would call that a massive edge. What would you call it?
Are you hinging your argument on arguing nomenclature?
Are you hinging your argument on arguing nomenclature?
Posted on 4/17/13 at 2:42 pm to tubucoco
I really wish bama/Saban fans like tubucoco would quit trolling an lsu board. I feel bad for people like him.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 2:43 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
quote:
Don't get me wrong, I cheer like hell for him to do well and win every single ball game. I'm a tiger and I really and truly believe that Les is too. But I believe that he fails to see his mistakes and the gravity that they have. Because more often than not, coaches' mistakes cost team games, seasons, and championships.
quote:
TigerFanInSouthland
You are a band geek right?
Posted on 4/17/13 at 2:43 pm to tubucoco
quote:
tubucoco
You would be much happier as a Bama fan, clearly. Make it official if you haven't already.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 2:45 pm to tubucoco
quote:
you people are useless to argue with because you pull more excuses out your asses then I can imagine
Technically, you're the one making excuses. We are saying: Miles has one of the most successful records of anyone in college football.
Your stance is that the record doesn't matter because of this list of excuses you have. You are the one arguing against the statistical record by making excuses, not me. I'm actually saying Miles' win in Tuscaloosa is made even more impressive when you consider how much talent Bama had on that roster.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 2:46 pm to King Joey
quote:
King Joey
another band geek speaks!
Posted on 4/17/13 at 2:48 pm to Baloo
quote:Yeah, it is funny how so many of the Miles-bashers complain about people "making excuses", right after they give a laundry list of excuses for not crediting Miles with the respect his record clearly deserves.
Technically, you're the one making excuses.
I guess excuses really are like assholes; everybody's got them and they all stink, but some people just can't keep their head out of theirs.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 2:49 pm to Bernie Moore
quote:
another band geek speaks!
Band geek? Damn, you've obviously never heard me try to play an instrument.
(methinks you may be confusing me with someone else)
Posted on 4/17/13 at 2:54 pm to ellessuuuu
quote:
schools fear our talent, but, because of Les, think they have a chance.
I love Les but I do think he is expected to blow a call or make a bad decision.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 2:57 pm to King Joey
quote:quote:
another band geek speaks!
Band geek? Damn, you've obviously never heard me try to play an instrument.
(methinks you may be confusing me with someone else)
He was probably thinking of kingbob.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 2:57 pm to Baloo
quote:
Well, considering I just demonstrated that Bama had a talent edge at nearly every positional unit... yeah. I would call that a massive edge. What would you call it?
Are you hinging your argument on arguing nomenclature?
Baloo, I'll try to respond rationally, even though I know that King Prolix is lurking with his inexhaustible supply of emoticons:
(1) It appears your position is that Bama 2011 had a significant talent advantage over LSU 2011. Unless I've missed some additional argument (and perhaps I have), the primary evidence you offer in support of your assertion is the number of 2011 Alabama players who were named All-Americans. However, can you be certain that the disparity in All-Americans is attributable to a sheer talent discrepancy? Isn't it also possible that it is attributable to a player development gap? That is, isn't it at least feasible that Saban takes players of comparable physical talent and does a superior job instructing them, motivating them, and placing them in a productive scheme, which naturally results in greater on-field achievement and post-season accolades for his pupils? I'm not convinced that this is the case, but it is at least one viable alternative explanation for the divergence in All-Americans.
(2) Let's assume arguendo that you are correct: Alabama 2011 had a massive talent advantage over LSU 2011. That doesn't make me feel better as an LSU fan. It makes me feel worse. If your assertion is true, it means that Miles and staff didn't merely experience a one-time game-planning failure on 1/9, they instead failed over months and years on the recruiting trail by allowing their primary divisional rival to accumulate a massive and overwhelming talent edge! After all, a college football team's physical talent is simply a product of its recruiting. If Alabama really has a massive talent advantage, it can only mean that our coaches were completely outdueled and outmanuevered in talent evaluation and recruiting over the span of several classes. I hope that's not true.
Posted on 4/17/13 at 2:58 pm to TigerBlieux
I'm just waiting for the statue to be erected.
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