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re: No Matter What-JJ

Posted on 6/20/11 at 12:42 pm to
Posted by Rudy40
Baton Rouge,La
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 6/20/11 at 12:42 pm to
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haha i haven't yet.


Wow that is like the third thing we have in common/agreed upon today. This needs to stop now!!!!!!!!!LOL

Posted by LSUdm21
Member since Nov 2008
17486 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 1:08 pm to
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The offense moved pretty well against Fla and Tenn with Lee in during the regular game and the 2 minute drill though Lee did make one bad throw n the goalline versus Tenn.

In the Miss St and Tenn games JJ had one good play and the rest of the time was atrocious. 3-10 with 2 INT' versus Tenn and 10-16 for 97 yards versus Miss St. I am sure there wasnt much true fear in Dooley or Mullens' mind from those performances.


You need to go look at the drive charts from each game like I just did. Lee had two good drives in the UT game and one came on that final drive with 5:41 to go and we were in the 2 minute offense the entire time. The other ended with the pick.

As for Florida, Lee had one good series and even that one was dominated by Steven Ridley. He was in for the final drive with 3 minutes left and you know the rest. Only proving my point that Lee was incredible in that situation. The rest of the time he was just meh.
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 1:46 pm to
The fact is we needed both Lee and JJ to beat teams. Lee is pretty clutch in the 2 minute drill, I credit that to the 2 minute drill typically being short, quick passes and run out of bounds and the defense gets less pressure on the QB typically. Tenn and FL Lee was an essential part to the wins. Other games neither played particularly well. Then others JJ shined. The problem is we have no consistent QBs. A LOT of hope rides on Mett but he's unproven. The only hope we have is that JJ and/or Lee come out in their senior season and become at least consistently mediocre.
Posted by LSUdm21
Member since Nov 2008
17486 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 1:48 pm to
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The fact is we needed both Lee and JJ to beat teams. Lee is pretty clutch in the 2 minute drill, I credit that to the 2 minute drill typically being short, quick passes and run out of bounds and the defense gets less pressure on the QB typically. Tenn and FL Lee was an essential part to the wins. Other games neither played particularly well. Then others JJ shined. The problem is we have no consistent QBs. A LOT of hope rides on Mett but he's unproven. The only hope we have is that JJ and/or Lee come out in their senior season and become at least consistently mediocre.


I think we see a combo of JJ/Lee vs Oregon and Mett gets playing time against NSU. After that....................
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 1:52 pm to
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I think we see a combo of JJ/Lee vs Oregon and Mett gets playing time against NSU. After that....................


That and if we have any mop up duty late-game. Maybe if we lose 2-3 games as a direct result of JJ/Lee. People need to keep in mind that if the defense falters and doesn't hold opponents to a low score and we lose, it's not directly Lee or JJ's responsibility that we lost that particular game. Our team is geared toward pounding the ball and stifling defense for low scoring games. Our O gets sicknasty when we can run the ball like vs aTm and the QB can actually make the throws that he needs to.
Posted by Rudy40
Baton Rouge,La
Member since Jan 2007
3073 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 2:01 pm to
LSUdm21 while I agree he is very good in the 2 minute offense I went back and looked at the Florida drive chart. JJ started 5 drives in the game and led LSU to 2 FG's total. Lee started 5 drives and led LSU to 4 TD's. So I think he did pretty well in the regular offense as well. It can be argued that 2 of the drives JJ came in at the goaline and scored but that doesnt mean they wouldnt have scored under Lee. Also notice on the final drive of the game Lee was left in on the goalline and threw the winning TD.

Looking at his season stats I would say he performed much better than JJ in games he was given significant playing time.

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Posted by CajunFootball
Jackson, Mississippi
Member since Oct 2010
19432 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 2:05 pm to
I would rather have had JL at QB last year then JJ.
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10457 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 2:09 pm to
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Rudy40
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my opinion is when Lee was in the offense was much more effective more often than when JJ was in
Maybe good that the coaches' opinions differ.
You didn't have much to say when I replied to one of your hundreds of anti-JJ rants with this fact.

Vs AU JJ threw for 46yds and JL threw for 47yds in same number of attempts.
JJ was also the leading rusher and accounted for around 75 of the 115yds gained.
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 2:11 pm to
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JJ was also the leading rusher and accounted for around 75 of the 115yds gained.


this is one of the main reasons why JJ started over Lee. He was a threat to run.
This post was edited on 6/20/11 at 2:16 pm
Posted by Rudy40
Baton Rouge,La
Member since Jan 2007
3073 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 2:20 pm to
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Vs AU JJ threw for 46yds and JL threw for 47yds in same number of attempts.


Actually I did reply. First of all if you remember the game Lee was actually moving the offense pretty well until Fairly body slammed him and seemed to injure his wrist and did not play much more except for the final drive and it was obvious he could not snap off his throws like before. Secondly JJ did virtually nothing after having a decent rushing first half. LSU I believe had 4 possesions if not 5 on starting past their 40, 2 I believe started on Auburn's side of the 50 in the 2nd half all started by JJ. The only scoring they did was Ware's TD pass. Otherwise it was JJ three and out on and on. For the last drive Lee was put back in despite being hampered with his injury.
Posted by Mayhawman
Somewhere in the middle of SEC West
Member since Dec 2009
10457 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 2:43 pm to
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Otherwise it was JJ three and out on and on
Fairley kinda took over that game. Actually both QBs were 3 and out in 2nd half, except JJ did get a first down on 15yd rush.
Posted by CajunFootball
Jackson, Mississippi
Member since Oct 2010
19432 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 2:47 pm to
In the 4 games they played equal time(UT,UF,MnS,Aub) JL played better then JJ in every aspect of the position. JJ scored his rushing TD's as a result of JL getting them into the red zone. JL had more passing TD's, more yards, and a higher cmp % in every game.

Hell in his 2008 season JL threw for more yards per game(on average) then JJ did in his 2009 season. I'm currently working on stats against SEC schools.
Posted by Rudy40
Baton Rouge,La
Member since Jan 2007
3073 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 2:48 pm to
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Fairley kinda took over that game. Actually both QBs were 3 and out in 2nd half, except JJ did get a first down on 15yd rush.


I will go back and check the drive chart. I was thinking it was all JJ in the 2nd half prior to the final drive but Lee may have played some in the 2nd half. I will check.
Posted by Rudy40
Baton Rouge,La
Member since Jan 2007
3073 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 2:56 pm to
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JL had more passing TD's, more yards, and a higher cmp % in every game.


There you go again clouding the argument with logic and facts. You know that doesnt work with the JJ crowd.
Posted by Hitchcock
Member since Oct 2008
2889 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 2:58 pm to
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In the 4 games they played equal time(UT,UF,MnS,Aub) JL played better then JJ in every aspect of the position. JJ scored his rushing TD's as a result of JL getting them into the red zone. JL had more passing TD's, more yards, and a higher cmp % in every game.


Teammates working as a Team to win games. The nerve of that Damn Les Miles!

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Hell in his 2008 season JL threw for more yards per game(on average) then JJ did in his 2009 season.


..and to the other team
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 3:00 pm to
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Hell in his 2008 season JL threw for more yards per game(on average) then JJ did in his 2009 season.


thats what happens when you have to come from behind because you just gave your opponent the lead by throwing a pick 6
Posted by Rudy40
Baton Rouge,La
Member since Jan 2007
3073 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 3:02 pm to
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CajunFootball


See I told you that logic and facts would never work with those guys!
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 3:03 pm to
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As for Florida, Lee had one good series and even that one was dominated by Steven Ridley. He was in for the final drive with 3 minutes left and you know the rest. Only proving my point that Lee was incredible in that situation. The rest of the time he was just meh.


Ridley does well with Lee because the defense has to respect the pass more.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297660 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 3:07 pm to
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Vs AU JJ threw for 46yds and JL threw for 47yds in same number of attempts.
JJ was also the leading rusher and accounted for around 75 of the 115yds gained.


Would make a good wildcat QB, not an every down QB. You make a good point for it.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297660 posts
Posted on 6/20/11 at 3:08 pm to
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Only proving my point that Lee was incredible in that situation. The rest of the time he was just meh


Which is why people are excited about Mettenberger. Both incumbents at the QB position have limitations.
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