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re: next years defense really concerns me
Posted on 12/13/12 at 3:59 pm to sunnydaze
Posted on 12/13/12 at 3:59 pm to sunnydaze
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Martin is starting opposite loston
Yes, and Martin is a solid player. He reminds me of Brandon Taylor, honestly. A bit undersized for a safety, a bit oversized for a corner.
He struggled a bit in coverage this year, but also made some great plays on the ball.
IDK there may be an opportunity for a truly elite athlete (like Reid) to rotate in (like Reid did in 2010).
Jeremy Cutrer is a stud. An absolutely gifted athlete. He's got a great vertical leap and a really long reach. However, at 6'3" 175, he may need to add 15-20 lbs to be a starter in the SEC. That said, 17-18 year old kids do tend to add weight quickly once they get on the team's weight training and diet plan. We'll see.
Corey Thompson, at the other safety spot, is very promising. He has the tools to be everything Loston should have been.
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Posted on 12/13/12 at 3:59 pm to TigerStripes30
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cause he is an idiot and obviously doesnt follow lsu much
thanks man. i guess you assumed i assumed they were leaving so we are at least equal on the idiot meter. and yes, there has been speculation that all 3 will be leaving; they damn sure are concidering it from what i read. Posted on 12/13/12 at 4:03 pm to LSU GrandDad
I don't think you're an idiot GrandDad. 
I initially thought those three guys would go pro, as well. And you know what? They still might. Minter is projected 3rd or 4th round. He could go. He's also projected to be the 2nd best LB in the country next year, so it would be better to come back (assuming he can reproduce this year's performance).
I think Logan had a lot of hype after last year, but his stock has dropped substantially. He's a late rounder at best now. With another year he could improve his stock a lot.
Simon had a relatively disappointing year. I think its clear he is not the heir to Peterson-Claiborne. He is not an elite cover corner at this level, much less the next. That said, he is a great athlete and a solid corner who makes some amazing plays. With another year he can refine those cover skills and improve his stock dramatically.
I initially thought those three guys would go pro, as well. And you know what? They still might. Minter is projected 3rd or 4th round. He could go. He's also projected to be the 2nd best LB in the country next year, so it would be better to come back (assuming he can reproduce this year's performance).
I think Logan had a lot of hype after last year, but his stock has dropped substantially. He's a late rounder at best now. With another year he could improve his stock a lot.
Simon had a relatively disappointing year. I think its clear he is not the heir to Peterson-Claiborne. He is not an elite cover corner at this level, much less the next. That said, he is a great athlete and a solid corner who makes some amazing plays. With another year he can refine those cover skills and improve his stock dramatically.
Posted on 12/13/12 at 4:06 pm to Papa Tigah
Mills is easily our best cover corner.
We dont lose any interior lineman to the draft so i dont know what you're talking about.
Martin could possibly be better than reid when its all said and done.
Minter is coming back and were absolutely loaded at LB position.
We dont lose any interior lineman to the draft so i dont know what you're talking about.
Martin could possibly be better than reid when its all said and done.
Minter is coming back and were absolutely loaded at LB position.
This post was edited on 12/13/12 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 12/13/12 at 4:08 pm to LSU GrandDad
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next years defense really concerns me
Your lack of faith concerns me, LSU GrandDad
Posted on 12/13/12 at 4:08 pm to LSU GrandDad
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we are at least equal on the idiot meter
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concidering
Posted on 12/13/12 at 4:08 pm to mylsuhat
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We've done this before and surprisingly we've come back as strong as ever
This was Chavis' fourth year at LSU. His defenses have given up an average of 15.3 ppg during that time...
2009: 16.0 ppg
2010: 17.8 ppg
2011: 10.5 ppg
2012: 16.9 ppg
We'll be fine.
Posted on 12/13/12 at 4:09 pm to tigermatt832
quote:This is an exaggeration. He got beat just as often as Simon. And there's a reason teams threw at him more--because Simon is better.
Mills is easily our best cover corner.
quote:We lose at least one starter (Downs) and possibly another (Logan). We also lose another guy who often slid inside for the pass rush package (Edwards).
We dont lose any interior lineman to the draft so i dont know what you're talking about.
quote:Haven't seen anything to suggest this yet.
Martin could possibly be better than reid when its all said and done.
This post was edited on 12/13/12 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 12/13/12 at 4:10 pm to Gravitiger
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And there's a reason teams threw at him more--because Simon is better
Wrong. Mills is a better cover corner than Simon is at this point.
Posted on 12/13/12 at 4:11 pm to PurpleAndGold86
quote:Agree to disagree. Simon did not have the year we expected, but his whole body of work is too much to ignore.
Wrong. Mills is a better cover corner than Simon is at this point.
This post was edited on 12/13/12 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 12/13/12 at 4:12 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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2009: 16.0 ppg 2010: 17.8 ppg 2011: 10.5 ppg 2012: 16.9 ppg
I was about to say, the only time it was right to worry about a possible defensive decline was last year.
Posted on 12/13/12 at 4:14 pm to LSU GrandDad
Everyone was concerned when we lost Nevis, Sheppard, and PP and we had one of the top defenses in the country last year. We also had one of the top defenses in the country this year, but after the Bama game we sort of lost the wind in out seasons sails
Posted on 12/13/12 at 4:15 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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but after the Bama game we sort of lost the wind in out seasons sails
People say this, but we still only gave up 13 points to Arkansas. It isn't like they shredded us. They do have a good QB and a really good WR and RB.
ETA: Did just go back and Arkansas did have 462 yards of offense. I guess they just weren't scoring. Thinking back it just didn't seem like they had that many yards against us.
This post was edited on 12/13/12 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 12/13/12 at 4:16 pm to Gravitiger
quote:Not really. He made the all american freshman team. Simon looked awful at times covering simple routes and he's a pretty bad tackler.
This is an exaggeration. He got beat just as often as Simon. And there's a reason teams threw at him more--because Simon is better.
quote:wont lie i forgot about downs, but were bringing in a great d-line class and still have Freak. and Logan is coming back i know people that know him and hes said hes coming back.
We lose at least one starter (Downs) and possibly another (Logan). We also lose another guy who often slid inside for the pass rush package (Edwards).
quote:Let him get his chance to start. When he was on the field we were considerably better in the secondary.
Haven't seen anything to suggest this yet
Posted on 12/13/12 at 4:18 pm to Gravitiger
Yeah losing Lavar Edwards hurts more than people realize. That guy was a solid and versatile role player for us for three years at least. He was big and athletic and had good instincts and hands.
There is no doubt the DE position will suffer the biggest dropoff. We'll field Rasco and Hunter. It will be interesting to see what happens to Maclin and Allen. I think Maclin could be another Lavar Edwards. Allen, I'm afraid, is a career benchwarmer.
I look to the freshmen to provide extra firepower in the pass rush next season. Frank Herron and Michael Patterson are both quick and athletic DEs who could fill that role. If we land Kendall Beckwith, he'll play as a speed rusher immediately. For this reason, I am perplexed about Beckwith's hesitation to commit to LSU, and I am growing concerned he is headed to Bama. That would fricking suck.
There is no doubt the DE position will suffer the biggest dropoff. We'll field Rasco and Hunter. It will be interesting to see what happens to Maclin and Allen. I think Maclin could be another Lavar Edwards. Allen, I'm afraid, is a career benchwarmer.
I look to the freshmen to provide extra firepower in the pass rush next season. Frank Herron and Michael Patterson are both quick and athletic DEs who could fill that role. If we land Kendall Beckwith, he'll play as a speed rusher immediately. For this reason, I am perplexed about Beckwith's hesitation to commit to LSU, and I am growing concerned he is headed to Bama. That would fricking suck.
Posted on 12/13/12 at 4:19 pm to tigermatt832
quote:How many true freshmen corners started for a top ten team? That's what got him on it. Mills also looked awful at times covering simple routes and missed a number of tackles. He's a really good player for a freshmen, I just don't think he has eclipsed Simon yet.
Not really. He made the all american freshman team. Simon looked awful at times covering simple routes and he's a pretty bad tackler.
quote:I think he is too, but it's far from set in stone, and I would never expect to rely on any freshman DL.
wont lie i forgot about downs, but were bringing in a great d-line class and still have Freak. and Logan is coming back i know people that know him and hes said hes coming back.
quote:That's because he was replacing Loston, who can't cover his own shadow. Doesn't suggest he is on Reid's level.
Let him get his chance to start. When he was on the field we were considerably better in the secondary.
This post was edited on 12/13/12 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 12/13/12 at 4:19 pm to tigermatt832
Simon's strengths lie in his incredible recovery speed and his long reach. He is great at catching receivers downfield and either intercepting or batting the ball down.
He is not a technician in coverage. Mills is better in those areas, but lacks Simon's recovery speed and certainly lacks the size and reach.
I like both players and don't see the need for comparison.
He is not a technician in coverage. Mills is better in those areas, but lacks Simon's recovery speed and certainly lacks the size and reach.
I like both players and don't see the need for comparison.
Posted on 12/13/12 at 4:21 pm to LSU GrandDad
Outside of Montgomery, I'm really not concerned. Mingo was very inconsistent all season long, and Reid while a solid player, also took a lot of chances. If anything, I'm more excited for this defense.
Posted on 12/13/12 at 4:21 pm to tigermatt832
I think we'll be fine. Biggest concern is Safety play IMO, and it wasn't that good this year. Logan coming back solidifies the line, and there are some dang good DE's ready to step in..I think their shear numbers will be much better than this year. I don't think there's anyone expecting the LB's to be taking a step back. That brings us to the DB's, which I only see us losing Reid. I see Eugene, Martin ,and Thomas coming along fine, there..Reid didn't tear it up, so, I doubt you'll see much production changes. If we can get Cutrera and Priest Willis to campus, esp Willis, I see Safety position a strength by the end of the year( think Reid with better coverage skills). Also, I expect White to be our best corner by mid-season...top prospect in the class IMO.
Posted on 12/13/12 at 4:21 pm to TxTiger82
quote:Very fair statements.
Simon's strengths lie in his incredible recovery speed and his long reach. He is great at catching receivers downfield and either intercepting or batting the ball down.
He is not a technician in coverage. Mills is better in those areas, but lacks Simon's recovery speed and certainly lacks the size and reach.
I like both players and don't see the need for comparison.
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