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Posted on 7/9/21 at 8:57 pm to lsu777
Just curious, are you clumping me in with the group that aren't with the times?
Posted on 7/9/21 at 8:59 pm to DRock88
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The only things you missed are interpretation and application. If improperly interpreted and applied, everything else is a pile of trash.
Driveline already did the interpretation and application for us. It's like yall don't get how far things have come.
We have all of that data. How to, what works, what doesn't. Etc
Just like in hitting, we know the distance when wrist supranational becomes a issue causing roll over and sudden change in attack angle etc.
All of this shite is worked out. Yall realize yall sound like idiots in football in the 70s and 80s who didn't want to use tendencies.
I hate how baseball people are so about...that's how it's always been done. It's fricking stupid.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:02 pm to lsu777
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That's what's so funny. Couple idiots on here stuck in the old ways getting mad at us for talking about getting with the times and talking about vision etc.
What gets me is the people thinking this shite is new. It’s not. It’s as old as the game itself we just have the technological capabilities to describe it now. I don’t understand why that bothers people.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:02 pm to DRock88
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Just curious, are you clumping me in with the group that aren't with the times?
No not really. You just questioned lsu's ability to implement something not really the science behind something
My thoughts is as much as these people are being paid they better fricking be able to. If youth teams can LSU baseball better fricking be able to.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:03 pm to Naptime
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cross fit guru
Whoa bro wtf?? That's shits over the line. Don't lump me in with that shite!!!
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:04 pm to lsu777
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Driveline already did the interpretation and application for us.
Hey bud, wake up. Driveline only interpreted and applied it to their own subjects. How can you not see the point I'm trying to make? It's all out there, ready to go. It's now on LSU (and everybody else) to do their own work. Also, you're not good at interpretation.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:05 pm to CottonWasKing
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What gets me is the people thinking this shite is new. It’s not. It’s as old as the game itself we just have the technological capabilities to describe it now. I don’t understand why that bothers people.
Bro we still have top level strength coaches that think running 110 yard gassers is a good conditioning exercise for football.
People are dumb and don't want to change or admit they may be wrong.
But yea, I mean Ted Williams described hot and cold zones, essentially a batting profile 50 years ago. He explained approach angle, launch angle, why bat speed and bat momentum was so important etc. But suddenly we can visualize it, train for it and it's bad. Yet they idolize ole Ted. It's laughable.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:07 pm to lsu777
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Yet they idolize ole Ted. It's laughable.
For good reason.. Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:11 pm to DRock88
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Hey bud, wake up. Driveline only interpreted and applied it to their own subjects. How can you not see the point I'm trying to make? It's all out there, ready to go. It's now on LSU (and everybody else) to do their own work. Also, you're not good at interpretation.
Yea I guess the sudden influx of pitchers throwing 97+ across the major leagues and colleges has nothing to do with implementation
of their methods huh?
Wake up man. Cressey is doing it with the Yankees, driveline has had coaches go into atleast 15 different MLB clubs implementing this same shite in the farm systems.
Same across colleges. They are giving freaking certifications all the damn time. Hell they are even implementing it in ages down to 9 and putting them into the R&D lab every 6 weeks to check things.
If Hugh schools can implement the stuff safely and LSU can't, well LSU needs to fire those people and get people in that can handle it.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:12 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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For good reason..
No doubt, best hitter of all time. It's just funny people love him but not that we can quantify and visualize his teachings...suddenly that method is bad.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:14 pm to lsu777
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No doubt, best hitter of all time. It's just funny people love him but not that we can quantify and visualize his teachings...suddenly that method is bad.
Gotcha... I figured I missed something
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:15 pm to lsu777
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Yea I guess the sudden influx of pitchers throwing 97+ across the major leagues and colleges has nothing to do with implementation of their methods huh?
At LSU? You're awful at interpretation.
ETA: I want to argue that concept so bad, but it's not worth my time if you don't understand my main point.
This post was edited on 7/9/21 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:19 pm to DRock88
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I want to argue that concept so bad, but it's not worth my time if you don't understand my main point.
I guess I am missing it....are you saying that Kelly isn't capable of being trained on those methods or the S&C staff isn't? Or are you saying LSU has special players with special shoulders and elbows that can't be monitored like everyone else?
I promise I'm not being dense, I really do not understand the point t you are making.
Can you explain why you think lsu isn't capable of implementing them?
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:22 pm to lsu777
I don't have any proof of it. Do you? That's my point.
As far as arguing why everybody throws gas now is another argument.
As far as arguing why everybody throws gas now is another argument.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:25 pm to lsu777
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Bro we still have top level strength coaches that think running 110 yard gassers is a good conditioning exercise for football.
I have no idea whether they’re effective or not I just know I hated them.
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People are dumb and don't want to change or admit they may be wrong.
But that’s my point as far as hitting philosophy goes nothing has really changed. We’re teaching hitting today the same way the greats approached the game 100 years ago. We just have the technology to tell us that a lot of things can be thrown to the side. Pitching has changed a lot but hitting is still pretty much the same among the elite.
I guess the problem is that most middle aged guys didn’t have a clue how elite hitters approached an at bat when they were coming up.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:28 pm to lsu777
Don’t you think Kelly and the S&C knows these things already? I would think they know more than you on what needs to be done.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:35 pm to CottonWasKing
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guess the problem is that most middle aged guys didn’t have a clue how elite hitters approached an at bat when they were coming up.
Imo it's that and baseball is its own little economy. From tball on up. Everyone wants their Lil dude or girl to be good. Most coaches have no idea how to teach proper hitting and these techniques and they are going to be left behind and it will hit their pocket book.
Plus places like driveline are preaching skills that scale, not skills that might win games with 46' mound and 60' bases. Ground balls don't scale. The whole baseball economy is based around using wins and a simple average as the measuring stick. So in their eyes a soft ground ball between 1st and 2nd is a better result then a hard line shot that the short stop jumps and snags.
They are result oriented instead of process driven. Following the new approach progress is measured not by wins but by the data like hard hit ball %, average exit velocity, peak exit velocity, acceleration, plane consistency, velocity of a throw from short to 1st, max velocity and that's just for fielding players.
Think the average travel ball coach can track that kind of stuff and actually present it to parents in a professional way? Think parents are going to like that?
Not to mention the whole capping a season at 60 games, doing exploratory, prepatory and competition phases. shite, think Karen is gonna stand for her son getting pulled off of short stop during the exploratory phase snd put at center field while the right fielder plays short?
They are just protecting their interest.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:36 pm to Naptime
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Don’t you think Kelly and the S&C knows these things already? I would think they know more than you on what needs to be done.
That's exactly what I was saying, others where the ones arguing they aren't capable or that we shouldn't go this route and should stuck to gut feeling old school baseball.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:37 pm to DRock88
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I don't have any proof of it. Do you? That's my point.
Well God damn why do think people are capable of implementing it in high schools but our multi million dollar staff isn't?
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