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re: Never ending thread arguing about Coach O
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:01 pm to Goldrush25
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:01 pm to Goldrush25
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You kinda just tanked your "experience" argument. Freshman and sophomores are better than experienced juniors and seniors from others programs that had been recruiting well for many more years?
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Anyone rejecting experience as a factor for improvement s an abject moron.
Roger doing his absolute best to avoid answering your question. What is it he likes to call people who do such a thing?
Ah yes,
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 10:03 pm
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Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I'm not rejecting it.
I'm just not trying to say that it's enough to propel a medicore team into one that can run the SEC regular season schedule.
You're trying to attribute everything that Saban's accomplished to anything but the influence that he imparts upon his team.
I'm just not trying to say that it's enough to propel a medicore team into one that can run the SEC regular season schedule.
You're trying to attribute everything that Saban's accomplished to anything but the influence that he imparts upon his team.
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:05 pm to Goldrush25
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I'm just not trying to say that it's enough to propel a medicore team into one that can run the SEC regular season schedule.
Throw in a few recruits who can contribute right away, and of course it can. And it did
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:06 pm to Goldrush25
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You're trying to attribute everything that Saban's accomplished to anything but the influence that he imparts upon his team.
Absolutely not
How much did that influence matter in 2007?
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I don’t want to pretend anything.
I want to provide you with context with how and why Saban went 6-6 in 2007, since you seem hellbent on obfuscation in order to try and have some sort of GOTCHA moment.
I want to provide you with context with how and why Saban went 6-6 in 2007, since you seem hellbent on obfuscation in order to try and have some sort of GOTCHA moment.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:11 pm to RMcWill1
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I want to provide you with context with how and why Saban went 6-6 in 2007, since you seem hellbent on obfuscation in order to try and have some sort of GOTCHA moment.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Hard to say. In 2007 Saban could've very well coached a fundamentally 5 win team to a 7 win season. He beat a ranked Arkansas and Tennessee.
The guy before he got fired for a reason; because they were declining. In any event, there's really no way to know what they would've done without him because we don't have access to a parallel universe.
I'm not going to fault any coach that hasn't had a full offseason to implement his coaches, all of his plays/verbiage, instill his culture, get rid of bad apples. Once he's had that time, it's all fair game.
Great coaches will make an immediate impact once they've had time, and they don't need 3-4 years to do it.
The guy before he got fired for a reason; because they were declining. In any event, there's really no way to know what they would've done without him because we don't have access to a parallel universe.
I'm not going to fault any coach that hasn't had a full offseason to implement his coaches, all of his plays/verbiage, instill his culture, get rid of bad apples. Once he's had that time, it's all fair game.
Great coaches will make an immediate impact once they've had time, and they don't need 3-4 years to do it.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:17 pm to RMcWill1
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want to provide you with context with how and why Saban went 6-6 in 2007
Alabama didn't vacate those games until 2009 and it had absolutely no bearing on the 2007 team
If you were actually knowledgeable this would have been obvious
You need to go back and do your homework.
LINK
Alabama wasn't short on scholarships and finished 10th in 2007 recruiting
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:19 pm to RB10
RB10
Oh, look who else fell for it
Oh, look who else fell for it
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
The new guy is kicking your arse Roger. It's an absolute bloodbath.
How embarrassing.
Riddle us this Roger....Do you think the NCAA came in, completed their investigation in a timely manner and then handed out punishment in 2009? No, no they didn't. They investigated for several years, just like they normally do.
The stigma of the NCAA investigation hit that program in 2006.
How embarrassing.
Riddle us this Roger....Do you think the NCAA came in, completed their investigation in a timely manner and then handed out punishment in 2009? No, no they didn't. They investigated for several years, just like they normally do.
The stigma of the NCAA investigation hit that program in 2006.
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:22 pm to Goldrush25
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Great coaches will make an immediate impact once they've had time,
Ah, we've gone from immediate impact to 2-3 years now.
Cool.
Alabamas defensive rank went from 31 in 2007 to 3rd in 2009. It's pretty obvious where he devoted his recruiting efforts. Even Saban couldn't do it in one season
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:22 pm to RB10
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How embarrassing.
Oh it is, just not how you think
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:24 pm to RB10
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Riddle us this Roger....Do you think the NCAA came in, completed their investigation in a timely manner and then handed out punishment in 2009? No, no they didn't. They investigated for several years, just like they normally do.
Unlike you, I'm old enough to remember
The violations included 2007 season under Saban so no, Alabama wasn't under investigation
You are an embarrassment
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:24 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Oh it is, just not how you think
No, it's exactly how I think. You believe the NCAA giving punishment in 2009 means the program wasn't affected during the years the investigation was going on.
The fact an LSU fan is saying this after what's happened with Will Wade is just plain sad.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:24 pm to RogerTheShrubber
You are still doing this?
Wow okay.
So you wanted to talk about Shula (lol) and the 2005 team, but conveniently fail to mention Shula’s 2006 team. Or the 2004 team.
Come on little buddy, let’s dance.
Wow okay.
So you wanted to talk about Shula (lol) and the 2005 team, but conveniently fail to mention Shula’s 2006 team. Or the 2004 team.
Come on little buddy, let’s dance.
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:26 pm to RB10
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You believe the NCAA giving punishment in 2009 means the program wasn't affected during the years the investigation was going on.
still dupigging kiddo. And you're wrong as usual
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:27 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The violations included 2007 season so no, Alabama wasn't under investigation
You are an embarrassment
Alabama was put on probation in 2002 as well. The fact you're trying to paint these sanctions as having no effect on the subsequent seasons is the only embarrassment.
Par for the course unfortunately.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:29 pm to RB10
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Alabama was put on probation in 2002 as well.
Little fella
Got caught believing fake news and desperately trying to save face
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:29 pm to RMcWill1
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You are still doing this?
He's going to argue with you until his fingers are bruised from banging on his keyboard.
It's his thing.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 10:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Got caught believing fake news and desperately trying to save face
The only fake news is you posturing like NCAA probation doesn't cause a ripple effect that lasts for several years.
Sad.
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 10:32 pm
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