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re: My thoughts on the Offense and Defense
Posted on 9/25/14 at 12:37 pm to USARMYDasher
Posted on 9/25/14 at 12:37 pm to USARMYDasher
While I agree, what are the solutions? I think we need to put make changes on both lines and then start putting others in, Beckwith, Thomas and Harris. At some point, these guys need to play and get experience. Better now then later. 
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Posted on 9/25/14 at 12:52 pm to USARMYDasher
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I'm tired of all the bashing of CLM and CCC. They're two of the most talented coaches in their respected fields in all of college football. CLM has one of the highest win percentages in the SEC.
stopped reading after this. Miles has won off of talent for too many years
This post was edited on 9/25/14 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 9/25/14 at 12:52 pm to Penrod
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They unloaded the box and paid the price when LSU ran on them. But that is a choice Wisconsin made; we didn't spread them, they spread themselves. They didn't have to, and they shouldn't have.
you are dumb...you should become a defensive coordinator and run a goal line defense to stop the spread.
There isn't a DC out there that would stack the box every play against 3-4 wr sets.
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It has to be tough on those coaches to hear idiot fans saying that our schemes are stupid
only the dumb coaches who refuse to change the way they attack defenses. Experts say the same thing about LSU's offense...hell i bet opposing coaches love the fact they know what LSU is gfoing to do on offense.
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the scheme was good Saturday night
i really hope you don't believe it was all about execution. Let me guess you are a positiger and refuse to put any blame on the coaching staff? blame it all on the kids
Posted on 9/25/14 at 1:03 pm to Weaver
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While I agree, what are the solutions? I think we need to put make changes on both lines and then start putting others in, Beckwith, Thomas and Harris. At some point, these guys need to play and get experience. Better now then later.
The only legitimate thing you can do is to switch personnel and try to coach the deficiencies.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 1:19 pm to USARMYDasher
No one is bashing Cam because we know he is not the orchestrator of such BS offensive plays.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 1:27 pm to USARMYDasher
after reading a lot of post about this team being young why is it across the nation teams plat freshman and do not have the problems lsu have?
Posted on 9/25/14 at 1:37 pm to Topwater Trout
Why , all of a sudden is the O. Line bad? All we heard was it was a strength ??
Posted on 9/25/14 at 1:42 pm to USARMYDasher
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We cannot complete slant routes. We cannot complete flat routes. Most of our numbers come from busted defensive plays. It doesn't matter if you run a spread offense or a pro-style I formation. If you can't complete a simple pass then the running game has all the pressure.
But not only is this true for this year, but outside of 2013, this is true for almost every LSU offense under Miles. We cannot complete some of the most basic, simple passes that every Division 1 level offense is typically able to complete. I like the idea of running the ball, but it's almost useless when the other team knows its coming, stacks 8 in the box, and you have absolutely no answer for it.
It almost seems like Miles is shell-shocked when a defense keeps stacking 8 in the box. The man doesn't have an answer for that. LSU isn't efficient enough in basic, collegiate level passing, and the offensive line isn't good enough to handle it.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 1:51 pm to CptBengal
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you people
I know for a fact that close to 100% of people get pissed off when referred to as "you people".
for the record, I am not like the rest of the people on here and neither is anyone else.
I doubt you will be able to understand that. I read your posts.
Posted on 9/25/14 at 3:02 pm to Chimlim
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It almost seems like Miles is shell-shocked when a defense keeps stacking 8 in the box. The man doesn't have an answer for that. LSU isn't efficient enough in basic, collegiate level passing, and the offensive line isn't good enough to handle it.
I agree completely. There's blame to be spread out amongst a few of the coaches up there. A lot of the quarterback talent Les has had he inherited. He recruits JJ/JL who were both coveted QBs coming out of high school. With the departure of RP, the two duds came into play. LSU went on a string of bad quarterbacks until Mett. I attribute that to CLM, Multiple OCs, and the recruiting staff. It's not just one. Again even now BH appears to be legit. He was sought after by a several schools.
It just seems that LSU has an issue recruiting QBs. I've already seen that change with who LSU has attracted in the past two years with the arrival of CCC. His arrival really turned heads because of his development of quarterbacks.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:55 pm to USARMYDasher
This all looks so relevant now.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 11:00 pm to USARMYDasher
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There were several blown assignments that resulted in the loss of games (UGA) or a bad showing (OM - ZM 3 INT). You cancel that out then we're 11-1 going into the SEC championship game.
THis kind of analysis is total fricking bunk. ALMOST EVERY team has 2,3,4 close games that could have easily gone one way or another. You can't just "cancel them out". I could probably go back through the last 10 years of Tiger football and add at least 3 more BCS bowl appearances and 2 more SEC CG appearance by cancelling out 10 plays. GREAT teams like the 2011 tigers only have close games against other great teams (like fricking frickity frick i won't even say it).
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 10/7/14 at 10:34 am to USARMYDasher
Since you looked up all that, tell me why we have gone from a mostly two back system, to a completely full on RBBC? The only teams that run a full on committee approach, are the ones who are triple option, have no legit #1 RB or legit 1-2 punch, or pass heavy teams.
A down hill run team with almost zero misdirection, NEVER runs 4 backs almost evenly unless they all suck. A power run team establishes two top backs or one top back.
Even when the pass game was shitty in 2010, we utilized one RB and had a very good run game.
Even in 2011, the only time we truly ran RBBC, we did not do it until Ware was suspended
Check it out:
2011 first 7 games
Spencer Ware - 128 carries
Michael Ford - 67 carries
Alfred Blue - 53 carries
Without even going back, I remember that the first half of games were pretty much Ware with Ford a change of pace. The fourth quarter is when they really fed Blue. A fresh back with good speed.
Let's also go to the pass game against Ole Miss and UGA that year? We threw 8 against Ole Miss (all complete) and we ran for over 300 yards with the RBs all having similar carries. Against UGA, we threw it 13 times (3 complete) yet four RBs ran for 230 yards against the #3 defense in the country.
So to tell you the truth, the pass game is not the problem. If it was, why in 2012, did an offensive line with a true freshman in his first start, a redshirt freshman in his first start, and a true sophomore in his fourth start, have a freshman RB run for 124 yards and 2 TDs against a Clowney led DL? Keep in mind that the QB was 12/25 for 148 yards and an int?
A down hill run team with almost zero misdirection, NEVER runs 4 backs almost evenly unless they all suck. A power run team establishes two top backs or one top back.
Even when the pass game was shitty in 2010, we utilized one RB and had a very good run game.
Even in 2011, the only time we truly ran RBBC, we did not do it until Ware was suspended
Check it out:
2011 first 7 games
Spencer Ware - 128 carries
Michael Ford - 67 carries
Alfred Blue - 53 carries
Without even going back, I remember that the first half of games were pretty much Ware with Ford a change of pace. The fourth quarter is when they really fed Blue. A fresh back with good speed.
Let's also go to the pass game against Ole Miss and UGA that year? We threw 8 against Ole Miss (all complete) and we ran for over 300 yards with the RBs all having similar carries. Against UGA, we threw it 13 times (3 complete) yet four RBs ran for 230 yards against the #3 defense in the country.
So to tell you the truth, the pass game is not the problem. If it was, why in 2012, did an offensive line with a true freshman in his first start, a redshirt freshman in his first start, and a true sophomore in his fourth start, have a freshman RB run for 124 yards and 2 TDs against a Clowney led DL? Keep in mind that the QB was 12/25 for 148 yards and an int?
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