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re: My take on Miles

Posted on 12/9/08 at 11:00 am to
Posted by T1gerBa1t
Milam, TX
Member since Feb 2006
302 posts
Posted on 12/9/08 at 11:00 am to
I think this thread could make 10 pages bump....

Posted by Acreboy
Member since Nov 2005
38568 posts
Posted on 12/9/08 at 11:02 am to
A bammer made sense? get the frick out of town...

nice post
Posted by LSUmomma
Member since Sep 2007
8177 posts
Posted on 12/9/08 at 11:08 am to
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Oh...and by the way...Y'ALL HAVE WON THE frickING NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP 2 TIMES IN THE LAST 5 YEARS.

Some of you guys are starting to sound like the BAMA fans you always make fun of. So think about that one for a minute.



Best part of a great post!

I'd like to see 10 pages too, so here's another bump.
Posted by Venicetiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2004
6152 posts
Posted on 12/9/08 at 11:18 am to
I just read the title of your post and my reply to you is WGAFF what you think.
Posted by geauxjo
Gonzales, LA
Member since Sep 2004
15279 posts
Posted on 12/9/08 at 11:22 am to
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I think he's a great recruiter, as far as star ratings go. If he makes the right hires/decisions on his staff, I think LSU will be back to competing for the West next year.


A great recruiter who surrounds himself with top notch assistants = a great head coach.
Posted by LSUmomma
Member since Sep 2007
8177 posts
Posted on 12/9/08 at 11:22 am to
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I just read the title of your post and my reply to you is WGAFF what you think.


excuse me!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Posted by geauxjo
Gonzales, LA
Member since Sep 2004
15279 posts
Posted on 12/9/08 at 11:30 am to
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excuse me!?!?!?!?!?!?!?


Pretty sure he was trying to reply to BamaScoop, but I could be wrong.
This post was edited on 12/9/08 at 11:30 am
Posted by TiegerTim
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2007
3077 posts
Posted on 12/9/08 at 11:37 am to
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He made 2 decisions that, in combination, probably cost us 2 games. Maybe 3. He put the guys in charge of the defense who weren't ready to do the job they were presented with. And he kicked RP off the team. Hindsight is 20/20, but only 1 of those decisions, at most, was a "mistake."

LM made 3 bad decisions IMO, and those decisions cost us more than 2 or 3 games this year. In fact it could be argued that they are the reason for all the losses this year. (although i think, no matter what we lose to FLA in the swamp)

1 - Co-DCs - this alone could be the blame for 2 or 3 of the losses this year.. Bad Decision

2 - Not kicking RP off the team alot earlier.... he had pleanty of reason and opportunity. This decision, IMO, has affected the whole team. They saw how many chances RP got.. Bad Example

3 - Knowing the head case that RP was, not recruiting and preparing another QB as a back up plan.. Even if RP is on the team this year, you're one play away from having to play a RS freshman or a true freshman.. Bad Planning

Posted by 756
Member since Sep 2004
15757 posts
Posted on 12/9/08 at 11:39 am to
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Knowing the head case that RP was, not recruiting and preparing another QB as a back up plan.. Even if RP is on the team this year, you're one play away from having to play a RS freshman or a true freshman.. Bad Planning



NO contingency plan-- a weakness for Les- he needs to learn to develop this area
Posted by eddieray
Lafayette
Member since Mar 2006
19000 posts
Posted on 12/9/08 at 11:49 am to
Yeah, I never understood the "winning with Saban's players" thing. We would have just about the same roster whether Miles is here or Saban. With either, we get most of the players that we want from Louisiana and a few blue chips here and there from other states.
Posted by 756
Member since Sep 2004
15757 posts
Posted on 12/9/08 at 11:52 am to
yep and right now we are sitting on the number 2 recruiting class


Posted by TiegerTim
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2007
3077 posts
Posted on 12/9/08 at 11:59 am to
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I love listening to these people who think that they could be HC, OC, DC, AD, and even governor.

I don't see anyone on here making that claim...

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"Did you ever attend LSU?"
so b/c i wasn't able to attend LSU, i cant be a fan, huh??

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Ever since we started winning, people have come out of the woodwork
i agree, but i welcome them..

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Yet we have one bad season
it's the way we had this bad season that's been disheartening....

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we won a NC last year!),

yeah, and FLA won in '06 and lost 4 games last year.. blah, blah, blah.... it's the way we loss and who we loss to....

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everyone puts on their espn analyst hat wanting to have Les Miles' job
we just know bad decisions when we see them....

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rantards will still seek the blood of true fans
define true fan... true fans never question the coach, righ?? i guess you would have drank the cool-aide too????

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I support Les Miles
i do to... until his decision making causes OUR university's football program go down hill... and this year it has started. let's see if he corrects his mistakes. if he does, most people will get behind him. if he doesn't, well.. more meltdown...
Posted by 756
Member since Sep 2004
15757 posts
Posted on 12/9/08 at 12:05 pm to
It is not the fan's job to assist the coach. We are not employees but rather customers. Customers do business with vendors who provide a quality product for a value price.

When customers perceive their product value or service level has dropped- they become discontented customers.

First step is always to voice your concern to your vendor and give them an opportunity to correct the problem- that is where the LSU fan is today

If problems are corrected next season- all is well
Posted by TenTex
Member since Jan 2008
15949 posts
Posted on 12/9/08 at 12:09 pm to
I love Scoop! Sorry, I can't put love and Bama in the same sentence.
Posted by TiegerTim
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2007
3077 posts
Posted on 12/9/08 at 12:32 pm to
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You could say the same about some of the fans

the fans showed up, the team didn't, some fans left... i didn't leave, but that doesn't make me better that those that did...
Posted by H-Town Tiger 98
Houston, Texas
Member since Jul 2005
4545 posts
Posted on 12/9/08 at 12:38 pm to
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He's right. And may I also mention that bashing our Head Coach DOES NOT HELP WITH RECRUITING. And before everyone gets all pissy and says well then I don't want so and so here anyway if they care what we post on a message board...shut up.

Whether you believe it or not, you are hurting the team you claim to love. And recruiting is that team's lifeblood. More people read these boards than you think. Both dmitch and Sonny have said that multiple times.

We can disagree with him, dislike him, whatever. But he's our coach.

And as Ric Flair once said, "Whether you like it or not, learn to love it, because it's the best thing going. WOO!"


While I liked Scoop's post, this one is more important. I agree 100%.
Posted by TiegerTim
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2007
3077 posts
Posted on 12/9/08 at 12:44 pm to
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geauxjo

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Hurricane Katrina hit our state

coach miles gets more miles out of Katrina than John Brady got out of those Draconion Sanctions...

Les is a quality person, no doubt about it.. but he has made some BAD decisions....

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When he was faced with the undaunting task of dismissing our star-in-the-making QB I'm sure he knew that we were facing an uphill battle on offense from that point. But it was the right thing to do.
He waited WAAAAAAYY to long to do this....

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When he replaced our defensive coordinator with coaches already on the team, I'm sure he felt it was a decision that could work. Hindsight has shown that it was a bad decision and one that he now realizes.

Question, what will you say about Miles if he doesn't hire a new DC?? If he relizes it was a mistake, surely he will fix it, righ??

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After all Miles has done for this team and after tons of great decisions
it takes just one "oh $$$$" to wipe out a desk full of "atta-boys"...
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He has earned that much
and with the questionable decisions, he deserves questioning....
Posted by ballz
Member since Feb 2008
96 posts
Posted on 12/9/08 at 12:53 pm to
LSU=AWESOME

Why did Les win more with Saban's players then Saban did?
What has Saban done? He won with Gerry D's players at LSU and now he's winning with Shula's players at BAMA?
I think Saban's a great coach, but you can't say something about Les when Saban did the same thing. O and not to mention Les kicks f*ck up's off his team unlike what Saban's doing at Bama.
Posted by AlexLSU
Member since Jan 2005
25341 posts
Posted on 12/9/08 at 1:03 pm to
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Why did Les win more with Saban's players then Saban did?


Before LSU was an elite program, Saban still managed to pull in three elite classes (2001, 2003, 2004). The 2001 class was the backbone for the 2003 national title, which was awesome to see because LSU still didn't have a tremendous amount of depth at the time since we were still relatively irrelevant.

A lot of our success from 2005-2007 is due to the 2003/2004 classes (which were #2 and #1 I believe). Les isn't a hack or anything, but really, winning with those high character and talent guys isn't that hard. Saban never had the benefit of the overall talent and depth Les was able to coach. He had some great individual players, but never the depth.

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What has Saban done? He won with Gerry D's players at LSU and now he's winning with Shula's players at BAMA?


When people say this, it's really a compliment. Neither Dinardo or Shula were good coaches. They both recruited decently, but not at an elite level. Saban did similar things for LSU that Pete Carrol did for USC. Bama had more talent than when he took over LSU, but the depth on his team last year and this year wasn't very good either. Bama had, what, 9 scholarship seniors this year? That's due to poor coaching and managing of a team by Shula, yet Saban went undefeated in the regular season with a team mostly made up of underclassmen.

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I think Saban's a great coach, but you can't say something about Les when Saban did the same thing.


I think Les' success is more so due to him having great leaders and talent than his own coaching ability. Is it coincidence that once all those stars and leaders are gone, the wheels fall off? I'm not talking about wins and losses, but rather a complete disinterest it seems by the team. He now has his players in at LSU. His philosophy and his coaches are here now. We're 7-5. I'm not overly optimistic about the future.

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O and not to mention Les kicks f*ck up's off his team unlike what Saban's doing at Bama.


I'm not sure what you mean with this, but I'm not really up on Bama's arrests or problems.
Posted by Venicetiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2004
6152 posts
Posted on 12/9/08 at 1:09 pm to
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excuse me!?!?!?!?!?!?!?



Sorry, That was for the gump.
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