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My take on LSU FB 2009
Posted on 6/27/09 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 6/27/09 at 11:59 pm
The team should start the season ranked around 11 or so. There have been many analysts who have said that LSU is the 5th best team going into the season, but coming off of such a poor 2008 season, it would only seem logical to preseason rank LSU around 10-12 despite the talent.
Some of the biggest concerns for the Tigers coming into the season are at Offensive Line, Wide Receiver, Quarterback, and how the defense will rebound with new coordinator, John Chavis. While the offensive line will take a big hit with the loss of Herman Johnson, it should be able to rebound with Senior Lyle Hitt bringing leadership to the line. While the line will undoubtedly have its problems (especially with the defensive talent of the SEC) it should help tremendously to have a quarterback with mobility in Jordan Jefferson. This is, after all, a college powerhouse's offensive line, so Jefferson won't necessarily be "running for his life" every play... But it does help for him to be able to tuck it and go when necessary. The rebuilding line may take a bit of a toll on the effectiveness of the Tigers' running game which is why we may see additional spread packages utilizing Keiland Williams a bit more from Gary Crowton this year, allowing some of the pressure to be taken off the inexperienced line and relyin more on the elusiveness of our specialty players.
Now let's talk quarterback. Although Jordan Jefferson does not have much experience starting games, the Tigers certainly enter 09 with much more experience at the position than last year. Jefferson showed many great skills and signs of brightness in his two starts last season and just played to get the job done. Jefferson avoided turnovers for the most part and seemed to always put his offense in position to score. His play in the Chick-fil-A Bowl was outstanding, and if the past is worth anything, the Tigers may have found another quarterback at the Georgia Dome. Jefferson has put on some weight in the offseason and looked to be very effective in his passing game at the Spring Game.
While one of Jefferson's targets was just a victim of the injury bug, the Tigers should not be worried about the Wide Receiver position. LSU returns arguably the best received in the nation in Brandon LaFell and one of the most promising players from a year ago in Terrance Tolliver. Tolliver has yet to prove himself to the rest of the country, but his progression at the end of last season should have the rest of the SEC very worried. Tolliver quickly established himself as the number 2 receiver for LSU as the struggling Demetrius Byrd and the sporadic Chris Mitchell fizzled out a bit. Tolliver is not only a combination of size and speed, but has shown that he is a smart receiver who has tremendous posession and is able to break tackles (much like Alabama's Julio Jones). Mitchell should provide a sure- handed third man while the fourth on LSUs roster has never stepped on the field... Rueben Randle. Randle will be great, no doubt. While it may seem like a lack of depth at WR, let's not forget that for much of last season, it seemed as though LSU only drew up passes to LaFell. Byrd struggled as did the rest of the receivers. So, in my opinion the WR position is better going into 09.
Defense: 2008 was the worst year LSU has had defensively in a long time. This can be mostly credited to Doug Mallory and Bradley Dale Peveto for sucking as defensive coordinators. But, their lack of blitz package variety and unaggressive playcalling was not the only problem with the defense. With the loss of Glenn Dorsey, Craig Steltz, and Ali Highsmith, the defense lost some tremendous leadership and "swagger". Teams can have the most talented players in the world, but without swagger and playing as a collective unit, they will not be successful. This was definitely missing last year and it showed. Although many fans did not like it, there was no "you cant see me" after great plays. This was a sign of identity among the players in 07 and 08 returned with no team identity and got burned. This year, proven coordinator John Chavis takes over with an aggressive mind and a hungry team. This defense will be anchored by Tiger safety, Chad Jones. Jones will provide the leadership and the swagger, the defensive identity for LSU in 09. The Tigers are ultra deep in the secondary and for the first time in years, the question marks will be at defensive line where the Tigers lose Tyson Jackson, RJF, and Marlon Favorite. While those sound like big names, they really didn't do much and wear nearly inaffective all year. The best of the lineman from a year ago, Rahim Alem returns along with the promising Drake Nevis and the big man, Al Woods. The line cannot be any worse than last year, and with a new and more aggressive style in place, as the "Invincible" video claims, your offense's worst nightmare is back!
To wrap it all up, I look for 2009 to be a tremendous improvement from last year. The toughest games will be at Georgia and vs Florida ( although the loss of Harvin hurts. Look at the SECCG last year). I honestly think LSU can beat Florida, and definitely think the Tigers will win the West easily......... The national championship is a very realistic goal for this year....Worst case scenario, SEC West Champs: 10-2 regular season.
FEAR THE HAT
Some of the biggest concerns for the Tigers coming into the season are at Offensive Line, Wide Receiver, Quarterback, and how the defense will rebound with new coordinator, John Chavis. While the offensive line will take a big hit with the loss of Herman Johnson, it should be able to rebound with Senior Lyle Hitt bringing leadership to the line. While the line will undoubtedly have its problems (especially with the defensive talent of the SEC) it should help tremendously to have a quarterback with mobility in Jordan Jefferson. This is, after all, a college powerhouse's offensive line, so Jefferson won't necessarily be "running for his life" every play... But it does help for him to be able to tuck it and go when necessary. The rebuilding line may take a bit of a toll on the effectiveness of the Tigers' running game which is why we may see additional spread packages utilizing Keiland Williams a bit more from Gary Crowton this year, allowing some of the pressure to be taken off the inexperienced line and relyin more on the elusiveness of our specialty players.
Now let's talk quarterback. Although Jordan Jefferson does not have much experience starting games, the Tigers certainly enter 09 with much more experience at the position than last year. Jefferson showed many great skills and signs of brightness in his two starts last season and just played to get the job done. Jefferson avoided turnovers for the most part and seemed to always put his offense in position to score. His play in the Chick-fil-A Bowl was outstanding, and if the past is worth anything, the Tigers may have found another quarterback at the Georgia Dome. Jefferson has put on some weight in the offseason and looked to be very effective in his passing game at the Spring Game.
While one of Jefferson's targets was just a victim of the injury bug, the Tigers should not be worried about the Wide Receiver position. LSU returns arguably the best received in the nation in Brandon LaFell and one of the most promising players from a year ago in Terrance Tolliver. Tolliver has yet to prove himself to the rest of the country, but his progression at the end of last season should have the rest of the SEC very worried. Tolliver quickly established himself as the number 2 receiver for LSU as the struggling Demetrius Byrd and the sporadic Chris Mitchell fizzled out a bit. Tolliver is not only a combination of size and speed, but has shown that he is a smart receiver who has tremendous posession and is able to break tackles (much like Alabama's Julio Jones). Mitchell should provide a sure- handed third man while the fourth on LSUs roster has never stepped on the field... Rueben Randle. Randle will be great, no doubt. While it may seem like a lack of depth at WR, let's not forget that for much of last season, it seemed as though LSU only drew up passes to LaFell. Byrd struggled as did the rest of the receivers. So, in my opinion the WR position is better going into 09.
Defense: 2008 was the worst year LSU has had defensively in a long time. This can be mostly credited to Doug Mallory and Bradley Dale Peveto for sucking as defensive coordinators. But, their lack of blitz package variety and unaggressive playcalling was not the only problem with the defense. With the loss of Glenn Dorsey, Craig Steltz, and Ali Highsmith, the defense lost some tremendous leadership and "swagger". Teams can have the most talented players in the world, but without swagger and playing as a collective unit, they will not be successful. This was definitely missing last year and it showed. Although many fans did not like it, there was no "you cant see me" after great plays. This was a sign of identity among the players in 07 and 08 returned with no team identity and got burned. This year, proven coordinator John Chavis takes over with an aggressive mind and a hungry team. This defense will be anchored by Tiger safety, Chad Jones. Jones will provide the leadership and the swagger, the defensive identity for LSU in 09. The Tigers are ultra deep in the secondary and for the first time in years, the question marks will be at defensive line where the Tigers lose Tyson Jackson, RJF, and Marlon Favorite. While those sound like big names, they really didn't do much and wear nearly inaffective all year. The best of the lineman from a year ago, Rahim Alem returns along with the promising Drake Nevis and the big man, Al Woods. The line cannot be any worse than last year, and with a new and more aggressive style in place, as the "Invincible" video claims, your offense's worst nightmare is back!
To wrap it all up, I look for 2009 to be a tremendous improvement from last year. The toughest games will be at Georgia and vs Florida ( although the loss of Harvin hurts. Look at the SECCG last year). I honestly think LSU can beat Florida, and definitely think the Tigers will win the West easily......... The national championship is a very realistic goal for this year....Worst case scenario, SEC West Champs: 10-2 regular season.
FEAR THE HAT
Posted on 6/28/09 at 12:00 am to lesgeaux
Wall. Of. Text. Just. Blinded. Me.
Posted on 6/28/09 at 12:05 am to Srbtiger06
tell us what you really think
Posted on 6/28/09 at 12:13 am to lesgeaux
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is able to break tackles (much like Alabama's Julio Jones).
slight stretch.
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Mitchell should provide a sure- handed

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The Tigers are ultra deep in the secondary
Peterson and Jones should be fine, not sure how I feel about Coleman and the jury is still out on Eugene...he shows flashes. Hawkins looked good at times, on the ball alot but dropped a shite ton of INTs, still he was making plays on the ball.
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I honestly think LSU can beat Florida, and definitely think the Tigers will win the West easily......... The national championship is a very realistic goal for this year
Hold your horses. UF has the entire 2-deep on defense returning and a ton of offense. They are still the team to beat...twice. Ole Miss, Arky, and Bama all should be improved as well...the West will be tight. NC is a loooooong shot.
Posted on 6/28/09 at 12:15 am to lesgeaux
While I personally think we are probably the best in the West since we have less holes than Bama and Ole Miss has no experience as the top dog I can't say we win the west easily. We have the hardest schedule out of LSU/Bama/Miss by drawing both UGA and UF while they avoid them. It is almost unfair. We then play both of them away. I think worst case scenario as 10-3 as I see us winning our bowl game because Miles is the man. Depending how the losses go would determine if we got to got to the SECCG. I think we are capable of going as good as 11-1 into the SECCG playing for the NCG spot.
I agree with most of your analysis and think it should be added that even though Lee is not starting he is a very valuable experienced back up.
I agree with most of your analysis and think it should be added that even though Lee is not starting he is a very valuable experienced back up.
Posted on 6/28/09 at 12:20 am to lsutiger2486
I agree with you about J Lee


Posted on 6/28/09 at 12:26 am to lsutiger2486
idk bout national championship..that's going a bit far..but SEC west champs isn't out of the realm of possibility..I think that we'll win a very tough game at Bama, lose to OM at OM, and beat UF in a rowdy game at home in OT.. 

Posted on 6/28/09 at 12:26 am to Srbtiger06
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Peterson and Jones should be fine, not sure how I feel about Coleman and the jury is still out on Eugene...he shows flashes. Hawkins looked good at times, on the ball alot but dropped a shite ton of INTs, still he was making plays on the ball.
Coleman is moving to OLB.
Secondary:
CB- Peterson
SS- Jones
FS- McCray
CB- Hawkins/Eugene
Posted on 6/28/09 at 12:29 am to lesgeaux
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Worst case scenario, SEC West Champs: 10-2 regular season.
That's all I needed to read to know that you're a huge homer. Really, worst case scenario is 10-2 with an SECCG appearance?
Please.
Posted on 6/28/09 at 12:32 am to AlexLSU
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That's all I needed to read to know that you're a huge homer. Really, worst case scenario is 10-2 with an SECCG appearance?
Please.
I would say 10-3 including a bowl win is a safe bet this year. I wouldn't expect us to lose all of our tough games.
Posted on 6/28/09 at 1:41 am to lsutiger2486
Safe bet on what? LSU has one of the hardest schedules in the conference. We're still full of question marks. We have new guys starting on defense and others moving into positions they didn't play before. A defense, that was already shitty last year.
Then you have a offense that only has one true proven WR starting, a QB who is still unproven and new O-line starters. A line that dramatically declined in performance last year as the season went along.
If you think 10-3 is the worst case scenario, I think we're going to need to keep you on suicide watch.
Then you have a offense that only has one true proven WR starting, a QB who is still unproven and new O-line starters. A line that dramatically declined in performance last year as the season went along.
If you think 10-3 is the worst case scenario, I think we're going to need to keep you on suicide watch.
Posted on 6/28/09 at 1:44 am to lesgeaux
That was a lot to read, but it was worth it. I agree with most of that, but i like reading anything about LSU football.
Posted on 6/28/09 at 1:48 am to deuce985
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deuce985
Someone who gets it. This team is a work in progress. The fact that we hired a bunch of good coordinators and have JJ starting does not guarantee us an SECCG berth in a "worst case scenario."
Posted on 6/28/09 at 2:22 am to lesgeaux
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The team should start the season ranked around 11 or so. There have been many analysts who have said that LSU is the 5th best team going into the season, but coming off of such a poor 2008 season, it would only seem logical to preseason rank LSU around 10-12 despite the talent.
This is spot on.

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Some of the biggest concerns for the Tigers coming into the season are at Offensive Line, Wide Receiver, Quarterback, and how the defense will rebound with new coordinator, John Chavis.
This is missing one key group--the Defensive line. I will elaborate later on.
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While the offensive line will take a big hit with the loss of Herman Johnson, it should be able to rebound with Senior Lyle Hitt bringing leadership to the line.
Losing Herman isn't nearly as bad as losing Brett Helms. The center is the glue that keeps it all together. I think T-Bob Hebert will suffice and I am not really worried about LG as we have plenty capable bodies to fill that spot.
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The rebuilding line may take a bit of a toll on the effectiveness of the Tigers' running game which is why we may see additional spread packages utilizing Keiland Williams a bit more from Gary Crowton this year, allowing some of the pressure to be taken off the inexperienced line and relyin more on the elusiveness of our specialty players.
I don't see Keiland being used any more or less than he was last year. You are also overstating KW's "elusiveness."
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While one of Jefferson's targets was just a victim of the injury bug, the Tigers should not be worried about the Wide Receiver position. LSU returns arguably the best received in the nation in Brandon LaFell and one of the most promising players from a year ago in Terrance Tolliver. Tolliver has yet to prove himself to the rest of the country, but his progression at the end of last season should have the rest of the SEC very worried. Tolliver quickly established himself as the number 2 receiver for LSU as the struggling Demetrius Byrd and the sporadic Chris Mitchell fizzled out a bit. Tolliver is not only a combination of size and speed, but has shown that he is a smart receiver who has tremendous posession and is able to break tackles (much like Alabama's Julio Jones). Mitchell should provide a sure- handed third man while the fourth on LSUs roster has never stepped on the field... Rueben Randle. Randle will be great, no doubt. While it may seem like a lack of depth at WR, let's not forget that for much of last season, it seemed as though LSU only drew up passes to LaFell. Byrd struggled as did the rest of the receivers. So, in my opinion the WR position is better going into 09.
You are overstating T. Tolliver's development and play. He looks to be the most promising of the guys on the team to fill the #2 WR spot, but only time will tell. To mention him as similar to Julio Jones at this point is a joke. He did not perform near that level this past year.
As far as I am concerned, Rueben Randle will be the #3 WR by the start of the season. He is light years better than anyone else besides Tolliver and Lafell.
I could see Chris Tolliver taking Chris Mitchell's spot. Mitchell has been inconsistent and other than the AU bomb from JL, didn't do all that much last year.
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Defense: 2008 was the worst year LSU has had defensively in a long time. This can be mostly credited to Doug Mallory and Bradley Dale Peveto for sucking as defensive coordinators. But, their lack of blitz package variety and unaggressive playcalling was not the only problem with the defense. With the loss of Glenn Dorsey, Craig Steltz, and Ali Highsmith, the defense lost some tremendous leadership and "swagger". Teams can have the most talented players in the world, but without swagger and playing as a collective unit, they will not be successful. This was definitely missing last year and it showed. Although many fans did not like it, there was no "you cant see me" after great plays. This was a sign of identity among the players in 07 and 08 returned with no team identity and got burned. This year, proven coordinator John Chavis takes over with an aggressive mind and a hungry team. This defense will be anchored by Tiger safety, Chad Jones. Jones will provide the leadership and the swagger, the defensive identity for LSU in 09.
Don't forget Perry Riley. He will be drafted by the end of next year. For some reason many of us seem to forget how good of a LB he really is.
Also, no one has a clue who will actually be playing in the secondary this next year other than Chad Jones and Patrick Peterson. Does Jai take Hawkins spot? Maybe, no one knows. Does Craig Loston see PT at nickelback? Does Danny McCray ever step on the field again? Where does Harry Coleman fit into this defensive equation, LB maybe? Does Karnell Hatcher start at SS? The list goes on and on....
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he question marks will be at defensive line where the Tigers lose Tyson Jackson, RJF, and Marlon Favorite. While those sound like big names, they really didn't do much and wear nearly inaffective all year.
You also forgot Tremaine Johnson.
To say they didn't do much is pretty laughable. I think you will realize just how much we will miss these guys once the season starts.
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The best of the lineman from a year ago, Rahim Alem returns along with the promising Drake Nevis and the big man, Al Woods. The line cannot be any worse than last year, and with a new and more aggressive style in place, as the "Invincible" video claims, your offense's worst nightmare is back!
There is a a ton of talent on the DL, but very unproven. Rahim Alem is the bright spot and Tiger fans are expecting the same sack machine as last year.
Drake Nevis shows a ton of potential so we will see if he has his come out year.
Charles Alexander has been injury prone and really hasn't done all that much during his career.
Al Woods finally has his $$ year, so does he actually learn to play with the right pad level and do something on the college level?
We are loaded with young defensive ends. Chase Clement, Chauncy A., and Sidell Corley are the three main guys. It will be interesting to see which of these guys emerges as the starter at SDE.
A name that LSU fans are not very familiar with, but will become familiar with very soon is Akiem Hicks. He is a JUCO prospect from the class of 2009. He will be on the two deep at DT. If Al Woods doesn't step up his game, then Hicks could challenge for a starting spot.
LSU doesn't offer JUCO's unless they are ready to play when they get here. At 6'4 300, Hicks is a big body on the inside for a question marked DT core.
Posted on 6/28/09 at 2:22 am to lynxcat
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To wrap it all up, I look for 2009 to be a tremendous improvement from last year. The toughest games will be at Georgia and vs Florida ( although the loss of Harvin hurts. Look at the SECCG last year). I honestly think LSU can beat Florida, and definitely think the Tigers will win the West easily......... The national championship is a very realistic goal for this year....Worst case scenario, SEC West Champs: 10-2 regular season.
You forget Ole Miss? At Oxford will be the game that decides the West. If we lose there, then you can give up on your dreams on SEC Champs or for that matter SEC West Champions.
What makes you scared of UGA? They don't have a QB, lost most of their WR corp (yes they have AJ Green coming back)...Orson Charles and Rantavious Wooten have had GREAT springs from all reports, but they will only be true freshman. Be happy that we get to avoid Da'Rick Rogers an all-world WR UGA commitment for 2010.
UF lost ZERO people on defense. On offense they lost Percy and a couple offensive lineman. They are absolutely loaded and EASILY the best team LSU will play this year. UF's defense is a pre-NFL defense, most of those guys will be drafted (DL is their weakest point....other than Dunlap who is a first round lock).
A loss to UF and a loss to Ole miss and LSU probably doesn't win the West. The Ole Miss game decides it all due to the potential tie breaker.
The team is too young for a national championship this year. I would say 2010 is a much better year as far as maturation, but then the schedule turns against us.
10-2 or 9-3 seem right on if I were to project.
This post was edited on 6/28/09 at 2:26 am
Posted on 6/28/09 at 2:26 am to deuce985
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Safe bet on what? LSU has one of the hardest schedules in the conference. We're still full of question marks. We have new guys starting on defense and others moving into positions they didn't play before. A defense, that was already shitty last year.
Then you have a offense that only has one true proven WR starting, a QB who is still unproven and new O-line starters. A line that dramatically declined in performance last year as the season went along.
If you think 10-3 is the worst case scenario, I think we're going to need to keep you on suicide watch.
:kige:
Spot on as always deuce.

Posted on 6/28/09 at 3:07 am to lynxcat
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We are loaded with young defensive ends. Chase Clement, Chauncy A., and Sidell Corley are the three main guys. It will be interesting to see which of these guys emerges as the starter at SDE.
You're forgetting Pep Levington. He looked really good in the spring game, while the three you mentioned didn't (though Clement maybe should get a pass bc he was matched up on Black). Either way, Pep is our starter at SDE.
The question is, do we have any quality backups at DE. I could see any of the three incoming freshman getting a lot of PT there. And Corley, FYI, has moved to DT.
Posted on 6/28/09 at 3:09 am to deuce985
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and new O-line starters. A line that dramatically declined in performance last year as the season went along.
You would think that an OL that returns both of their starting OTs will improve its performance. Plus, Bama and GT would disagree that our OL isn't one of the more talented ones out there. Ole Miss did dominate us though.
Posted on 6/28/09 at 3:16 am to lesgeaux
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Some of the biggest concerns for the Tigers coming into the season are at Offensive Line, Wide Receiver, Quarterback, and how the defense will rebound with new coordinator, John Chavis. While the offensive line will take a big hit with the loss of Herman Johnson,
No offense to Herm bc he was a great guy, but a late 5th rounder who played too high and slow off the ball is not a huge loss. He got overrated by people just bc he was big. IMO Josh D will be better than him by the time he's a Junior.
And to your first point, I'm still more worred about our defense than our offense. Sure JJ is largely unproven, but he's still one of the more talented QBs out there, plus he looks like he has a great head on his shoulders. IMO he is going to be a great player. The OL IMO could be better just bc Barksdale isn't being thrown to the wolves as an inexperienced OT like he was last year. And our WRs, I'm not worried about having 3 best fast ones.

I'm more worried about the fact that Malveto or not, our pass rush still hasn't been that good since Glenn Dorsey got hurt midyear two years ago. If we have the necessary depth to rotate players on the DL. Outside of Perry Riley, if our LBs are any good. And of course, how good of a DC Chavis is.
I expect our O to be really good this year bc I think JJ is really good, but I still have no idea on our D.
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