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re: More impressive: Miles in '07 or Saban in '03?
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:23 pm to Nuts4LSU
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:23 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Winning the SEC championship game was something progressive that propelled us into the top 2 of the standings.
The game was already over when Missouri and WVU lost.
And, had they not lost, we would not have gotten to #2 in the rankings.
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Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:24 pm to MC123
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The difference is that in 2007 we controlled our destiny going into the last regular season game. Win the last game, and the SECCG, and you play in the BCSCG. No questions asked. We didn't and thus backed in.
By your definition, we would have "backed in" even if we had beaten Arkansas and Tennessee, since we had had control of our destiny from the beginning of the season and had lost to Kentucky, thus needing other teams to lose to get back into the top 2.
Ditto, of course, for 2003, when we also needed teams ahead of us to lose to get into the top 2, since we had started the season only 14th, and had lost to Florida, dropping us to 10th midway through the season. At that point, we did not have control of our own destiny. We needed other teams to lose to climb up the standings.
We didn't back in to either of those titles because being outside the top 2 at some point in the season does not amount to backing in to the national championship.
This post was edited on 7/21/10 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:26 pm to Nuts4LSU
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That's a stupid definition because it means that any national champion that did not start the season in the top 2 and stay there the entire season "backed in".
I guess you just skipped over the entire part of my post where I explain that LSU season was completely over by the time Missouri and WVU lost.
There is no such thing as backing in when you still have the ability to win and put yourself in the championship game. For example, had Missouri won that last night, they would not have backed in to NC game simply because they were ranked below LSU the week before LSU lost to Arkansas.
Backing in to something requires four elements:
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1. You are in a position to clinch it if you win
2. Someone else is in a position to knock you out of it if you lose and they win
3. You lose
4. They lose, too, so they fail to knock you out of it and you get it even though you lost
Uh, this is exactly what happen.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:27 pm to Antonio Moss
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The game was already over when Missouri and WVU lost.
And, had they not lost, we would not have gotten to #2 in the rankings.
But winning the game (as opposed to losing it) was a huge factor. Lose that game and we do not go.
But I've already explained it in terms simple enough for anyone with a brain to understand. If you don't get it now, you won't. Keep on thinking that 98% of all national champions (including all three LSU national championship teams) "backed in" to the national championship.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:27 pm to Antonio Moss
GEEZZZZZZZZZZZ!!
MAKE IT frickING STOP.....
LSU won the national championship in 03 and 07 and bother were equally impressive!
MAKE IT frickING STOP.....
LSU won the national championship in 03 and 07 and bother were equally impressive!
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:29 pm to Antonio Moss
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had Missouri won that last night, they would not have backed in to NC game simply because they were ranked below LSU the week before LSU lost to Arkansas
Why not? What would be different? We were ahead of them and we lost, allowing them to jump ahead of us by winning. It's exactly what happened the following week when we won and they lost.
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Uh, this is exactly what happen.
No, it's not. They were ahead, they lost, we won. But enough of this. Be an idiot if you want.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:34 pm to Nuts4LSU
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But winning the game (as opposed to losing it) was a huge factor. Lose that game and we do not go.
Well, no shite. But that didn't make it a "huge factor." And it doesn't change the fact that we had to back in the game to get there.
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But I've already explained it in terms simple enough for anyone with a brain to understand. If you don't get it now, you won't.
Yeah, you're an idiot. You keep arguing that by my definition "backing in" occurs to every team that makes it to an NC if they do not start the season #1 or #2. It takes an incredible misinterpretation of what I'm saying to conclude this.
Maybe if I speak slower:
Backing . . .in . . .to . . .a . . .game . . .can . . .only . . .occur. . . after . . .a . . .team's . . . .season . . .is . . .over.
LSU's season was over. Done. Finished. Missouri and WVU still only had one loss when LSU's season was over. Done. Finished. LSU was out unless BOTH LOST THEIR FINAL GAME.
Both lost their final game. LSU backed in to the championship (and this is based on your four point description of backing in.)
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Keep on thinking that 98% of all national champions (including all three LSU national championship teams) "backed in" to the national championship.
Do you have lead paint in your house?
Posted on 7/21/10 at 12:59 pm to Antonio Moss
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LSU's season was over. Done. Finished. Missouri and WVU still only had one loss when LSU's season was over. Done.
And you think LSU did depend on teams to lose in 2003 to get in...
LSU loss to Florida in 03, the west was significantly weaker, and we just got by Ol Piss....
STFU... ignoarant...
EVER YEAR, TEAMS NEED A TEAM OR 2 TO LOSE TO GET IN UNLESS THEY ARE UNDEFEATAED AND THEY PLAY A VERY REPSCTABLE SCHEDULE.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 1:12 pm to Flyin Tighas
2003 was more impressive. The program was on the way up and had arrived from the ashes to capture the national title.
For the 2007 title, LSU was "as lucky as a two peckered goat." There have been teams that have been lucky that others all had a down year, others have been unlucky as they had a big year when others were up (Auburn 2004) as percieved by poll voters and the BCS.
All being said, they all "count" the same and all are prestigious. We have it in the trophy case and others don't!
For the 2007 title, LSU was "as lucky as a two peckered goat." There have been teams that have been lucky that others all had a down year, others have been unlucky as they had a big year when others were up (Auburn 2004) as percieved by poll voters and the BCS.
All being said, they all "count" the same and all are prestigious. We have it in the trophy case and others don't!
Posted on 7/21/10 at 1:14 pm to BabyTac
Anyone that says 07 is an idiot.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 1:16 pm to BufordPuser
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Anyone that says 07 is an idiot.
Zackly...
Posted on 7/21/10 at 1:24 pm to Flyin Tighas
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And you think LSU did depend on teams to lose in 2003 to get in...
LSU loss to Florida in 03, the west was significantly weaker, and we just got by Ol Piss....
STFU... ignoarant...
EVER YEAR, TEAMS NEED A TEAM OR 2 TO LOSE TO GET IN UNLESS THEY ARE UNDEFEATAED AND THEY PLAY A VERY REPSCTABLE SCHEDULE.
I don't think you could have missed the point of the discussion anymore if you would have tried.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 1:25 pm to Antonio Moss
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I don't think you could have missed the point of the discussion anymore if you would have tried.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 1:42 pm to Antonio Moss
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Backing . . .in . . .to . . .a . . .game . . .can . . .only . . .occur. . . after . . .a . . .team's . . . .season . . .is . . .over.
LSU's season was over. Done. Finished. Missouri and WVU still only had one loss when LSU's season was over. Done. Finished. LSU was out unless BOTH LOST THEIR FINAL GAME.
Like I said, it's a stupid definition. Obviously our season was not over because we still had a chance to win the national championship. Thankfully, we WON the SEC championship game to put ourselves in position to go to the NC if teams ahead of us lost, which they did. The timing of the games that day is irrelevant.
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Maybe if I speak slower:
Feel free. It still sounds just as stupid.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 1:52 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Posted on 7/21/10 at 1:55 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Obviously our season was not over because we still had a chance to win the national championship.
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Thankfully, we WON the SEC championship game to put ourselves in position to go to the NC if teams ahead of us lost, which they did.
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The timing of the games that day is irrelevant.
Posted on 7/21/10 at 1:55 pm to BigDaddy45
2003 was much much more impressive. '07 was more surprising since I felt LSU had zero chance before the last week of regular season.
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