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re: More From Nikki Caldwell.......

Posted on 4/17/11 at 5:27 pm to
Posted by Tiger Authority
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Posted on 4/17/11 at 5:27 pm to
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still overpaid


Maybe. But like I've been saying, if you will inevitably lose money with this sport, better to lose a million by putting people in the seats and winning with a highly paid coach than paying someone a little less with more uncertainty regarding winning and continue to lose upwards of 2.5/3 million.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 4/17/11 at 5:29 pm to
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What are the benefits?


Being showcased on ESPN during the Final Four and in Sportspages throughout the country. I'd imagine the free advertising we got from our Final Four runs easily made up the difference that we lost that year.

But the biggest benefit is wanting LSU to exude excellence--in EVERY facet. It makes those diplomas more valuable, attracts more potential students (whose tuition is much more substantial than the women's basketball budget), and probably in some ways leads to bigger donations. If you are going to do something--do it the best you can. That seems pretty simple.


You guys who only see the yearly bottom line are just extremely shortsighted. I thought you were smarter than to be so myopic Brandon.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Posted on 4/17/11 at 5:32 pm to
So when I apply for a job, a women's final four makes my diploma more valuable?

My argument is not to not be the best athletics program we can be, but to do so in reason. Paying 700K for a coach to lead a team with a 2.3 million dollar deficit makes no sense. It actually makes negative cents.

And being showcasd on ESPN? Come on man, those rating are ATROCIOUS. No one is watching those games.
This post was edited on 4/17/11 at 5:34 pm
Posted by Cajun Revolution
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Posted on 4/17/11 at 5:35 pm to
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Paying 700K for a coach to lead a team with a 2.3 million dollar deficit makes no sense. It actually makes negative cents.


Underrated line of the month. Quality quote there broseph.
Posted by LSU6969
Baton Rouge, La.
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 4/17/11 at 5:36 pm to
George you have to remember Article IX. Women sports will be represented equally. Let's say LSU spent 100k for an entire WB coaching staff and we had no ticket sales for any games. Which then we would have no concession sales. The team doesn't win any games either. This means no money coming in except from other Univ. split pots.
With this scenario we just lose more money because we will still have a WB program, they will still have players on scholly they will still have road trips(travels expenses), they still will be losing money just more of it. Womens sports is not leaving no matter what male chauvinist might think.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 4/17/11 at 5:40 pm to
lol wut

Coaching salaries have nothing to do with title ix.
Posted by Tiger Authority
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 4/17/11 at 5:40 pm to
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Paying 700K for a coach to lead a team with a 2.3 million dollar deficit makes no sense. It actually makes negative cents.



Underrated line of the month. Quality quote there broseph.


Actually I disagree with both of you. We have to have women's basketball and it's virtually inevitable that you lose money with it. However, you don't have to lose 2.3 million, which is what the university would be relegated to if we would have hired some nobody that may or may not have won by paying them 400k. If you can pay someone 700k, they win and fill the seats close to what Pokey did, and we lose less overall money, that is strangely a net win.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 4/17/11 at 5:40 pm to
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So when I apply for a job, a women's final four makes my diploma more valuable?


Of course not, but the overall reputation of the school. Even if it's subconscious, people are impressed by a place that apsires for excellence in every endeavor.


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My argument is not to not be the best athletics program we can be, but to do so in reason


I agree. I guess I just dont' think 700K is that unreasonable. It's market value. Now, there's a great argument that the market for WBB coaches is fricked, but unless the ADs can all get together and collude to bring those salaries down, I'm not sure what you can do.

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Paying 700K for a coach to lead a team with a 2.3 million dollar deficit makes no sense. It actually makes negative cents.


Again, I don't know if there's any way to actually prove this, but I think that a winning WBB program makes up that difference. But there's also the argument that even though we live in different times, college sports--or colleges in general--can't be ALL about making money. There has to still be some semblance of nobility in providing higher education. Both in the classroom and in extra-curriculars.


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And being showcasd on ESPN? Come on man, those rating are ATROCIOUS. No one is watching those games.


I'm sure they're not great, but even if people just flip it on for a few minutes just to see what's on, I think that's valuable.



Regardless, not that they're infallable by any means, but the powers that be have access to much, much more information on this than any of us and their jobs are actually on the line, so if they think it makes sense, I think we need to give the benefit of the doubt. At least for now.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 4/17/11 at 5:44 pm to
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Underrated line of the month. Quality quote there broseph.


'twas a very clever pun indeed
Posted by LSU6969
Baton Rouge, La.
Member since Jun 2008
1148 posts
Posted on 4/17/11 at 5:52 pm to
It's simple math George

2,300,000 + 100,000(your salary for a coach)=2,400,000 loss.

1,600,000 + 700,000(actually I believe it's 465,000)=2,300,000 loss.

If it was my bussiness I would take scenario #2.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
69116 posts
Posted on 4/17/11 at 5:55 pm to
1.6 million loss. Laughable. You have no idea man.

You'll still be looking at a loss at least near 2 million if not more.
Posted by Cajun Revolution
Member since Apr 2009
44671 posts
Posted on 4/17/11 at 5:56 pm to
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'twas a very clever pun indeed


And he big leagues me too after I give him props. How about that.
Posted by LSU6969
Baton Rouge, La.
Member since Jun 2008
1148 posts
Posted on 4/17/11 at 6:01 pm to
You have no idea how much T.V. revenue is dude. Whether or not dudes like you watch or not, TV revenue is where all money is at. You don't get on TV if you are a piss poor team dude.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
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Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 4/17/11 at 6:02 pm to
SEC negotiates tv contracts, not LSU.

LSU will be on tv good or bad.
This post was edited on 4/17/11 at 6:05 pm
Posted by LSU6969
Baton Rouge, La.
Member since Jun 2008
1148 posts
Posted on 4/17/11 at 6:09 pm to
LSU won't be on TV if they don't get to the NCAA tourny.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 4/17/11 at 6:11 pm to
Women's basketball was on the ESPN owned SEC Network all the time last season. And on ESPN and ESPN 2 some as well.

You are beginning to show your ignorance. At least I back myself up, right or wrong, with facts.
Posted by lsualum96
Los Angeles, CA
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 4/17/11 at 6:16 pm to
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College athletics is about making money now. We live in a world where college athletics is a business.


Sorry George, but you will not see that in any mission statement of any college in the NCAA. Why.....................? Because college sports is not in existence to make money. There's no doubt that some sports make money. But that is not the main reason for college sports. So, as long as this is the reality, you will continue to see all the other sports at the university supported to the degree that the ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT (not the fans) thinks they should be supported. So, whether some guys out there are angry about it or not, really doesn't matter. None of us have any say so in how the money is spent in the department. Oh, and so that some of you will understand what I mean, here is the mission statement of the LSU Athletic department................

quote:

The Louisiana State University Department of Athletics seeks to inspire academic and athletic excellence in student-athletes by challenging them to achieve the highest level of intellectual and personal development. LSU seeks to create an environment conducive to the development of student-athletes with strong core values and personal integrity that will contribute to success throughout their lives and to provide the resources necessary to pursue championships, to graduate and to become productive citizens. LSU will show exemplary leadership in compliance with governing rules, policies and procedures, commits to strong fiscal responsibility and pledges to be steadfast in the encouragement of cultural, ethnic and gender diversity. LSU seeks to honor the history and traditions of the athletics program in order to perpetuate excellence in athletics and academics and to engage external constituencies in the world beyond the campus through innovation and creativity.


By what I'm reading here, it appears that Joe Alleva is trying to fulfill this mission statement.
This post was edited on 4/17/11 at 6:26 pm
Posted by lsualum96
Los Angeles, CA
Member since Nov 2005
3509 posts
Posted on 4/17/11 at 6:22 pm to
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Women's basketball was on the ESPN owned SEC Network all the time last season. And on ESPN and ESPN 2 some as well.


The SEC network only guarantees the game will be on locally, not nationally. Sometimes the SEC network games are carried on Fox........sometimes they are carried on CoxSports. But what about nationally televised games..................?

In 2004-05, the women's team was on ESPN, CBS, or FoxSports a total of 12 times. The team finished 33-3, went 14-0 in the SEC, won the SEC championship and made the final four.

In 2005-06, the women's team was on ESPN, CBS, or FoxSports a total of 13 times. That team went 31-4, went 13-1 in the SEC, won it's second consecutive SEC championship, and made the final four.

This past season, the women's team was on ESPN, CBS, or FoxSports a total of 8 times. This team went 19-13, went 8-8 in the SEC, and lost in the second round of the SEC tournament.......and didn't make the NCAA tournament.

You see the correlations...............?

If you have a winner, you get more exposure than when you lose. It's the way things work. If Nikki gets the team to the level of success that Pokey did, more exposure is a byproduct of winning. Clearly Joe Alleva and his staff know this. That's why I'm glad he made the smart move and got Nikki when he did.
This post was edited on 4/17/11 at 6:30 pm
Posted by LSU6969
Baton Rouge, La.
Member since Jun 2008
1148 posts
Posted on 4/17/11 at 6:25 pm to
Yes LSU is part of SEC and therefore all teams share in SEC earnings. SEC will earn more money if the conference is stronger overall. LSU was not on as much TV as when Pokey was here, due to us losing with an average coach, who was paid average wages. Lets spend a little more to see if we can get a little more.
Still don't understand your grief, if you don't like the sport why worry about it.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
69116 posts
Posted on 4/17/11 at 6:33 pm to
The mission statement? Awesome. The land of unicorns and rainbows is great.
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