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re: Miles will not be making any changes to the OLine

Posted on 9/24/12 at 2:55 pm to
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 2:55 pm to
Josh d brisket>>>>> mettsiah health
Posted by Big Data
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 2:55 pm to
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His man was in the backfield all night whether it was run or pass.


Depending on the call, this is supposed to happen. He's supposed to absorb his guy, so that he builds the pocket.
Posted by inadaze
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 2:56 pm to
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I just love people like you, who just can't belive that personell choices are made on merit and what the coaches own eyes and experience tells them.

Watching the game Saturday night I felt like JD was being whipped badly. Upon rewatching every offensive snap on DVR I no longer feel this way. JD actually played pretty well and both of the sacks he gave up were not his fault...well not totally.

On sack number one, the one that caused the fumble, LSU went with 5 wides and empty backfield on a 3rd and 4. The play was designed for a quick throw and JD used a cut block to knock Lemonier down, as is called for on such a play. Mett looked to have Landry open on a quick out beyond the sticks, but for whatever reason he did not pull the trigger and decided to pull it down and scramble. Lemonier came off the ground quickly, as a future NFL DE will do, and sacked Mett causing the fumble. As nearly as I can tell, this sack was completly Mett's fault.

On sack #2 late in the first half, LSU lined up in shotgun with Ware to Mett's right and Hill to his left. Hill's first chance in the game and he looked anxious to make a play. He was clearly intended there to chip Lemonier and then release out and JD seemed to be expecting this help. On the snap Hill immediatly released out for a pass inside JD and the DE never chipping. Ware did chip on his side and it seemed that was the intention of the play. After the sack, there was a timeout and on the CST replay you could see the coaches and the line discussing this with Hill and he seemed to be acknowledging his mistake.

Other than those two sacks, JD had a pretty good game. He was not isolated on Lemonier many times but did ok when he was.

All and all, not the terrible and hopeless picture some are painting.



I just do not agree with this. If you key in on JD, he always gets beat at the point of attack more than the other linemen. It was the same way when he played guard.

Same thing against Idaho. He gave up two consecutive sacks right before the half, one which resulted in a turnover.

And yeah, Lemonier is really good. And in '10, Fairley was really good. And South Carolina will have good players, and Alabama, and Florida. THIS IS THE CALIBER OF THE SEC!! It's why the SEC has won six straight National Championships.

And let me say, it's really not Dworaczyk's fault. He's just doing what the coaches ask him to do. Whenever I hear interviews with him, I always like what I hear. He's a team guy, and has a positive attitude, but he's just in over his head physically with what he's being asked to do. He's now given up 4 sacks (2 sack fumbles) in 6 quarters the last two games.

There are a number of different things that we could try. I'd like to see what Davenport can do at left tackle. Or we can try Turner or Alexander at left guard, sliding Collins out to left tackle. Or what we did 2nd half against Idaho, moving Hurst from right to left tackle, with Alexander playing right tackle.

Posted by lsuexpert57
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 2:56 pm to
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explain how he played well all game besides the 2 sacks that were everybody else's fault yet somehow the DE in front of him was either making the tackle in the backfield on every running play or disrupting the running play?


You really want to do this? Start with the stat sheet. How many TFL's did Lemonier have besides the sacks and how many QB hurries?

I can't even believe I am going to argue with the DUMBEST dumb shite that has ever graced this board. My bad.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 2:59 pm to
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What game did you watch rantard?


You changed my mind. Josh D was perfect.

Posted by sunnydaze
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 3:00 pm to
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Miles will not be making any changes to the OLine


other than vadal, we really have no other options on the OL
Posted by lsuexpert57
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 3:03 pm to
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There are a number of different things that we could try. I'd like to see what Davenport can do at left tackle. Or we can try Turner or Alexander at left guard, sliding Collins out to left tackle. Or what we did 2nd half against Idaho, moving Hurst from right to left tackle, with Alexander playing right tackle.


I'm not saying that JD is a great LT...he is a big step down from Faulk for sure. I was just giving him a fair shake for his real performance against AU. As for all those things that "you would like to see". Don't you think the coaches have tried those moves in practice...against Mingo and Montgomery? I believe they are doing what they think is best based on what they have seen at practice and what their years of coaching experience tells them to do.

I know Collins was recruited to be a LT, and to my eyes he looked much better against AU than he has all year...but I don't have the whole story...only our coaching staff does. I know they can make a mistake, but without more information its hard to second guess.
Posted by inadaze
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 3:03 pm to
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You really want to do this? Start with the stat sheet. How many TFL's did Lemonier have besides the sacks and how many QB hurries?

I can't even believe I am going to argue with the DUMBEST dumb shite that has ever graced this board. My bad.



I haven't watched the replay or counted how many TFLs Dworaczyk gave up. But I know he gave up another one to Gabe Wright, letting him tackle Spencer Ware in the backfield.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 3:03 pm to
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other than vadal, we really have no other options on the OL


Miles could use Towson as a scrimmage to find a LT. Davenport, Collins, vadal... Someone has to step up.

Florida won't be fun to watch if shite doesn't change.

Can't just keep doing the same shite over and over and expect different results. This reminds me of 1/9/12.
Posted by lsuexpert57
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 3:05 pm to
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You changed my mind. Josh D was perfect.


Yeah, just as I figured, you watch the game like my wife watches it, and then you come on here and bitch like a girl. Learn more about the game and THEN come on here and we'll chat.
Posted by oleskuledude
Abita Springs, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 3:05 pm to
Never thought loss of Faulk would have such a debilitating effect of the OL. I like Josh D. but his play has really taken a dump lately. Don't think he fully recovered from injuries. Really uncomfortable at OT - said so himself.

Now here's what worries me: does CLM have such a sentimental attachment to JD as he had with JJ in the past that he's going to ram
ineptitude down our throat...just to prove that he's the grand poobah and damn what anybody else thinks.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 3:06 pm to
Damn you just got smoked
Posted by inadaze
Member since Aug 2010
5156 posts
Posted on 9/24/12 at 3:09 pm to
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I'm not saying that JD is a great LT...he is a big step down from Faulk for sure. I was just giving him a fair shake for his real performance against AU. As for all those things that "you would like to see". Don't you think the coaches have tried those moves in practice...against Mingo and Montgomery? I believe they are doing what they think is best based on what they have seen at practice and what their years of coaching experience tells them to do.

I know Collins was recruited to be a LT, and to my eyes he looked much better against AU than he has all year...but I don't have the whole story...only our coaching staff does. I know they can make a mistake, but without more information its hard to second guess.


I have seen enough of Alexander to know that playing him at left guard with Collins at left tackle would make for a better offensive line. Problem is the staff made Alexander a tackle.

Obviously they couldn't have foreseen the current predicament, but Alexander's natural position is guard. IMO, they made a mistake there.
Posted by lsuexpert57
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 3:09 pm to
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I haven't watched the replay or counted how many TFLs Dworaczyk gave up. But I know he gave up another one to Gabe Wright, letting him tackle Spencer Ware in the backfield.


This is correct. Again, I am not saying JD is a great LT and he did get beat on occasion, as all linemen do. I DO think the coaching staff feels that currently he is our best option on the roster to man that spot. I wish we still had Faulk and he is a BIG loss, no doubt. But lots of GOOD "SEC" teams have LT's that are no better than JD. We can manage.
Posted by lsuexpert57
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 3:13 pm to
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I have seen enough of Alexander to know that playing him at left guard with Collins at left tackle would make for a better offensive line. Problem is the staff made Alexander a tackle. Obviously they couldn't have foreseen the current predicament, but Alexander's natural position is guard. IMO, they made a mistake there.


This of course, is how you see it, in the limited reps that Alexander has had, against weak competition. I think if that is actually the case, then the coaching staff will eventually make that happen, until then, I will assume they have their reasons for standing pat. I will say this though, having a true freshman starting at offensive line in the SEC is VERY rarely successful.
Posted by inadaze
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 3:16 pm to
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This is correct. Again, I am not saying JD is a great LT and he did get beat on occasion, as all linemen do. I DO think the coaching staff feels that currently he is our best option on the roster to man that spot. I wish we still had Faulk and he is a BIG loss, no doubt. But lots of GOOD "SEC" teams have LT's that are no better than JD. We can manage.



Not elite SEC teams. There is enough talented depth, that we could have had a better contingency plan than playing Dworaczyk at left tackle.
Posted by Brian Wilson
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 3:17 pm to
Posted by TigerJeff
the Emerald Coast
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 3:17 pm to
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Miles will not be making any changes to the OLine


nor will he ever, ever install a screen pass to the tailback. Love the guy but he's one stubborn dude!
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 3:19 pm to
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You really want to do this? Start with the stat sheet. How many TFL's did Lemonier have besides the sacks and how many QB hurries?


who was the guy that Ford had to avoid in the backfield wearing that #55 jersey? he also gave up a tfl to the other DE when josh d blocked air, then slowly turned and pushed the DE in the back into the RB for a loss. it was brilliant.
Posted by Maximus
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 3:22 pm to
do you still have the game saved on dvr? i'd like to point out some specific plays tonight or tomorrow to you and hear your bs excuse for why its not josh d's fault on each. K?
This post was edited on 9/24/12 at 3:25 pm
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