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re: Miles should be given absolute credit for developing

Posted on 9/29/10 at 9:56 am to
Posted by Teacher
Member since Sep 2006
3060 posts
Posted on 9/29/10 at 9:56 am to
It is the QBs stupid. It is the QBs. Miles's only real fault. You must have a good QB to win the SEC.
Posted by 1p56
Thats da admin who banned my avatar
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 9/29/10 at 9:58 am to
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Copy what you want. Paste in the response. Highlight it in the response, and the hit the quote thing to your right with all the emoticons. Preview it to see what damage you did



Got it thanks.



Save yourself a few steps...

Just highlight the part you want to quote and then hit the quote button. No need to "copy", then "paste" into the reply section.
Posted by JawjaTigah
On the Bandwagon
Member since Sep 2003
22857 posts
Posted on 9/29/10 at 10:13 am to
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First if he knows JJ isn't performing well, why is he still playing him? Passing game can't be any worse with Lee...if Lee sucks, put JJ back in. Don't know why this is so difficult for Miles.....Second, if he is so reliant on JJ's running ability - then why was Shepard moved to WR? Shepard seems to be a better fit for this offense at QB then JJ.
Totally true. If RS can't complete a pass, or many passes, then how does that differ from JJ? Plus if RS can run at QB, and JJ can't really pull that off consistently or effectively, why would putting RS in at QB much more often at least not give LSU one more weapon to work with?

I never understood the decision to move RS from QB to begin with, esp. given who we had (and have) in that position at the time.
Posted by MiketheTiger69
Moore/Norman, Oklahoma
Member since Jan 2004
3315 posts
Posted on 9/29/10 at 10:14 am to
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If he would really level with the fan base,


Huh, say what?

Have you not been listening to him? He's repeatedly admittd that the offense and qb play has sucked. He's repeatedly said that we have to get better at the qb position. He's also repeatedly said, and anybody who knows anything at all about fb, that it's not all the qb's fault, which it isn't.

I don't know what else you want the man to say! What else can he say? When he says, "We're trying to fix it", do you think he's just spouting hot air? Do you honestly believe that he doesn't care about the problems?

People coming on this board and bitching, which is okay insofar as that's part of what it's here for, is not going to change or help the situation one iota. That's benign and inconsequential. Neither is booing the coaches and/or players during a game. That is NOT benign and it does have consequences.

Contrary to popular belief, Les Miles is NOT a dumbass stupid fricking moron who can't see the problems and refuses to address them.

If there is anybody on here who believes that Les would not put the best players on the field in order to insure the best chance of winning games, then it is they who are dumbass stupid fricking morons!

And I get sick and tired of reading the dumbass stupid fricking moronic comments that "he did not recruit any qb's or plan for this situation", etc. He did but it's not his fault that the said qb's either fricked up in life or went another way or that, like all other coaches, the ones left over haven't worked out to the best of their recruiting projections.

Just because the man doesn't say the words you want to hear, doesn't mean that he's not "leveling with the fan base"!

He can't win, no matter what he says. If he points out that receivers are dropping balls or JJ makes bad passes or that the oline causes penalties, he's throwing the players under a bus. At what point do the players bear some responsibility for the O's ineptitude?

I get as frustrated as anybody with the dumbass stupid fricking moronic playcalling from Crowton. I really have no idea what goes on between Les and Crowton so I can't comment on it but I cannot believe that Les doesn't see the o's struggles and simply refuses to do anything about it.

Posted by CalTiger
California
Member since Jan 2004
3997 posts
Posted on 9/29/10 at 10:19 am to
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Miles should be given absolute credit for developing
the rest of the team. I myself have been somewhat critical of Miles in recent times but I have to ask myself and others this: why are we so venomous and angry at a man who has been responsible for an unbelievably talented young defense, perhaps the nations best special teams, and an offense that with the exception of one position, could compete for a conference title? If I'm honest with myself I have to admit the direction of the team is positive and if he gets blame for the problems he must get credit for the positives. He doesn't. Why is that?



You will never get a reply to this question - They will skip around it - answer other questions BUT NEVER ANSWER THE ACTUAL POINT THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE HERE.

Instead it will be about Entire O (not accepting that the RBs are good, O-line is improved, WRs are good , TE is good etc...)

YES the QB situation is the sucks but damn can the head man get some credit just as he gets the demerits!!

I feel bad about the other 103 players who are not the main 2 QBs who are giving their all in practice and real games and are represented here for a maximum of say 2 threads out of a thousand.
Posted by JawjaTigah
On the Bandwagon
Member since Sep 2003
22857 posts
Posted on 9/29/10 at 10:21 am to
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Have you not been listening to him?
Have you? Have you not heard him say he's giving some RB some touches at RB, but come gametime, that RB gets no touches. Have you not heard him say he was giving Lee some significant playing time, but come gametime, no Lee or nothing of significance. Have you not heard him say he is aware of the problems, but come gametime the same problems in playcalling and such return like a bad penny.

Yes, I would like Les Miles to level with the fan base and tell us the truth. "I am playing JJ come hell or high water, I am not going to simplify the playbook because I am convinced this is what is going to lead LSU to its best season ever." I would like him not to say things like he did last year, that our OL was the best he's ever seen. Or like in pre-season when he hyped both our QBs and said they were both competing and very close to each other if he didn't mean it.

Things like that - that's what I call leveling with the fan base. I don't think it's too much to expect.
This post was edited on 9/29/10 at 10:30 am
Posted by rbdallas
Dallas, TX
Member since Nov 2007
10344 posts
Posted on 9/29/10 at 10:22 am to
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I get as frustrated as anybody with the dumbass stupid fricking moronic playcalling from Crowton. I really have no idea what goes on between Les and Crowton so I can't comment on it but I cannot believe that Les doesn't see the o's struggles and simply refuses to do anything about it.


you are right.....but the sad part is that it does not matter.. MILES is ultimately in charge, if he can not take over is because ????

Posted by TheFranchise
The Stick
Member since Feb 2005
6293 posts
Posted on 9/29/10 at 10:22 am to
WR's have been having hands problems throughout Miles' tenure

Two most talented RBs in each of their respective seasons relegated to bench (KW and Ford)

Numerous instances of player decline rather than improvement - Tyson Jackson, Herman Johnson, etc.

Most of Miles' problems revolve not around talent but game/clock management (both play clock and game clock), play calling and overall gameplan/strategy

I am pleased to see he is now letting Chavis get more aggressive like we saw in the first year of Pellini
Posted by Cabby
Baba Booey Land
Member since Jan 2005
5764 posts
Posted on 9/29/10 at 10:24 am to
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Gary Crowton should be next on the guillotine.



+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Posted by Chazz Reinhold
Vegas
Member since Jun 2007
4486 posts
Posted on 9/29/10 at 10:24 am to
Chavis runs the defense just like Pelini ran his defense. On his own. Miles barely talks to his defense. Go to practice and you will see the same. I'd give him credit for staying out of their way maybe.
Posted by oilfieldtiger
Pittsburgh, PA
Member since Dec 2003
2904 posts
Posted on 9/29/10 at 10:30 am to
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I feel bad about the other 103 players who are not the main 2 QBs who are giving their all in practice and real games and are represented here for a maximum of say 2 threads out of a thousand

do you think those guys are more concerned that they're not getting enough ink on tigerdroppings.com, or do you think they're more concerned that a supremely talented team may underachieve because of the mismanagement of the offense / QB situation.
This post was edited on 9/29/10 at 10:31 am
Posted by dos crystal
Georgia
Member since Aug 2008
4873 posts
Posted on 9/29/10 at 10:37 am to
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WR's have been having hands problems throughout Miles' tenure

Two most talented RBs in each of their respective seasons relegated to bench (KW and Ford)

Numerous instances of player decline rather than improvement - Tyson Jackson, Herman Johnson, etc.

Most of Miles' problems revolve not around talent but game/clock management (both play clock and game clock), play calling and overall gameplan/strategy

I am pleased to see he is now letting Chavis get more aggressive like we saw in the first year of Pellini


unequivocally one of the most ignorant post.

still worried about ford when you have one of the best backs in the s.e.c..

Still worried about k.w. when hester won you a n.c. Charles scott, in 2008, only had one of the best rushing years in lsu history. k.w. did play EVERY YEAR.

Tyson jackson and h. johnson declined only to be a top 5 and second round pick respectively.

most of miles problems revolve around play clock management. still stuck in 2009 are we? we have NO PROBLEMS with play clock management this year. game plan stategy, 4-0. looks like he his strategy worked in those games.

he's now letting chavis get aggressive. he held him back? he held pellini back? try different talent my friend.
Posted by CalTiger
California
Member since Jan 2004
3997 posts
Posted on 9/29/10 at 10:40 am to
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do you think those guys are more concerned that they're not getting enough ink on tigerdroppings.com, or do you think they're more concerned that a supremely talented team may underachieve because of the mismanagement of the offense / QB situation.



It is irrelevant whether they read it or not - aren't they deserving of more praise that what is being given ?

Are we so blase that we take goodness for granted and can only bitch and moan at the misery that is there?

As fans of the team, shouldn't we take pride that there are so many players who are doing their best instead of being miserable about two or the coaches?

If as many people have deduced, the press/media/journalists read TD and use it as basis for their pieces - wouldn't it be better for them to write about the other players rather than just about two all the time?

Why not have more threads for the work that Graf is doing - let us analyze his ST work so that in addition to that single piece that was done on him a few weeks back , there will be plenty more threads about it and if there is one every day - the media (being what it is) might think it important enough and that might help make his NFL case!

If we want LSU to make a media blitz campaign for PP for heisman , why shouldn't we do our part in promoting the rest of our team?
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 9/29/10 at 10:47 am to
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Two most talented RBs in each of their respective seasons relegated to bench (KW and Ford)


ummm...what?
Posted by RBWilliams8
Member since Oct 2009
53835 posts
Posted on 9/29/10 at 10:52 am to
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We are frustrated because we have no Quarterback. How at LSU you can competely drop the ball on recruiting and developing a QB is beyond me? I do give him credit on getting the rest of this team together, but it will fall apart soon without a viable option at QB.


I agree with the OP but just Like any job the boss mostly looks at how few screwups you make over how many good things you do... That's just life


As for this comment I quoted, lsu has had only a handful of " great QBs" and only a few good ones
Posted by byubengalboy
Cypress, tx.
Member since Nov 2008
3719 posts
Posted on 9/29/10 at 11:01 am to
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He doesn't. Why is that?


massive suckage....short attention spans....drunken stupidity....delusional expectations....the retarded 'most passionate fan base/I pay a lot of money for perfection' excuse....and the I'd rather quit, whine and trash one of the most beautiful campuses in america than get behind my team and fight all comers syndrome. Miles hasn't made LSU a laughingstock....it's so-called fans have.

the fans.
Posted by geauxjo
Gonzales, LA
Member since Sep 2004
15274 posts
Posted on 9/29/10 at 11:09 am to
Wow byubengalboy, tell us how you really feel.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 9/29/10 at 11:40 am to
Miles is acting exactly like he did in 2008 about our defensive coordinators. Saying everything is fine, the scheme is good, etc. He's letting Crowton save face.

Crowton is out, I think that's a done deal. Miles is playing for 10 wins and will play beamer ball to get there. Lee will get his chance.. and it'll be soon
This post was edited on 9/29/10 at 11:43 am
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