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re: Miles Calling Plays on Offense
Posted on 9/13/10 at 4:52 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
Posted on 9/13/10 at 4:52 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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miles has been calling the plays even when jimbo was here thats' why he left. crowton has been taking the heat for him but thats why we run up the middle so much. crowton has never run what he wants to run and as long as miles is here he won't ever.
Good Lord, I've heard it all now.
Why? Is it too farfetched to assume that the HC has final authority over play calling?
Isn't this all speculation on the part of us Rantards, anyway? Do any of us really now if it is all Crowton, all Miles, or some combination thereof?
I don't know who is calling the plays. What I do know is the combination of the playcalling and the QB's execution of those plays stinks to high heaven. Something needs to change. Most of the Rantards, and especially the Miles supporters, are turning the blame on Crowton. He is the OC afterall, and this would be the most logical conclusion to draw. The point is that I don't think anyone has been able to definitively state whether Crowton is calling the plays he wants, or whether Miles is overriding him.
It would be nice to know for sure. In the meantime, I choose to blame both.
This post was edited on 9/13/10 at 4:55 pm
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Posted on 9/13/10 at 4:54 pm to LJBurton
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Most of the Rantards, and especially the Miles supporters, are turning the blame on Crowton.
I'm far from a Miles lover, but go look back at Crowton's coaching history. Unless Miles was the head coach at Oregon in 2006 and the AD at BYU in 2002-2004, then your argument doesn't hold much water.
Posted on 9/13/10 at 5:03 pm to Antonio Moss
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I'm far from a Miles lover, but go look back at Crowton's coaching history. Unless Miles was the head coach at Oregon in 2006 and the AD at BYU in 2002-2004, then your argument doesn't hold much water
What exactly doesn't hold water?
Let me clarify. I am happy to blame both of them, until proven otherwise. Crowton is the OC, so he should shoulder the bulk of the blame. But, Miles is the HC. If he has a problem with the calls, then he should do it himself or hire another OC.
I'm not a Crowton supporter, but I just don't think Miles is completely blameless, here. I think Miles is positioning things so that if necessary Crowton takes the bullet for him at the end of this year. He probably thinks that if things aren't turned around by the end of the season, this will buy him another year or so.
Posted on 9/13/10 at 5:34 pm to TheDoc
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he didn't
Admitted he did on the radio at 12
Not exactly. What he said is he sometimes calls a specific play. And it was implied tjat this is nothing new
Posted on 9/13/10 at 5:39 pm to cubsgrace
He's been calling the plays or atleast screening the incoming plays since he got to LSU. Ask Jimbo!
Posted on 9/13/10 at 6:35 pm to LJBurton
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I think Miles is positioning things so that if necessary Crowton takes the bullet for him at the end of this year. He probably thinks that if things aren't turned around by the end of the season, this will buy him another year or so.
This has been repeated numerous times on the rant and is more rediculous then the old "Trindon at DE" threads.
First off, Alleva made Miles keep Crowton because of his contract.
Secondly, if things aren't turned around this year, there's a good chance Crowton and Miles would be fired, so Miles had/has no reason to keep Crowton because he thinks it would buy him one more year. Every coach wants long term security, and hiring a better OC would help facilitate that.
Posted on 9/13/10 at 8:46 pm to south bama tiger
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First off, Alleva made Miles keep Crowton because of his contract.
And you know this, how exactly. Please cite your source. First off, I began my post with "I think". Follow along with me here, genius. This means this is my opinion.
You follow up with a statement of fact, that has never been proven, and can't be proven unless Alleva is quoted somewhere that I am unaware of. Cite your source, please. I can't wait to find out how you know this to be true.
This is no more than Rant legend, and it's a preposterous one. Crowton is Miles' guy, period. Did Alleva hire Crowton, or did Miles? Did Crowton get an extension againt Miles' wishes? Or, did Miles recommend and support an extension of Crowton's contract? You state this as fact, so I'm looking forward to hearing about your source.
This post was edited on 9/13/10 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 9/13/10 at 8:52 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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he didn't, they don't
Next?
quote:Change your tune eh?
what did he say?
Posted on 9/13/10 at 9:08 pm to south bama tiger
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This has been repeated numerous times on the rant and is more rediculous then the old "Trindon at DE" threads.
agreed...
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First off, Alleva made Miles keep Crowton because of his contract.
and another Rant Rumor
Posted on 9/13/10 at 9:12 pm to Geauxtiga
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Change your tune eh?
You read the thread, huh?
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He didn't say that he called plays but rather that he had the playsheet, which he always has.
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Admitted he did on the radio at 12
Not exactly. What he said is he sometimes calls a specific play. And it was implied tjat this is nothing new
And since you did not read the thread, let me repeat.
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He didn't, they don't.
Posted on 9/13/10 at 10:09 pm to cubsgrace
how do y'all know that he took over the playcalling?
A hint.
From today's PC.
"We just want him to play, have some fun, smile. Maybe do some things that he's more comfortable at, maybe simplify the game plan. ... We know he can run the team, we know he has leadership ability."
"I think we just need to let [Jefferson] play."
You can squeeze whatever you like out of that, but sounds like he has a want for change in offensive philosophy. Maybe the end of read option, or most of it.
A hint.
From today's PC.
"We just want him to play, have some fun, smile. Maybe do some things that he's more comfortable at, maybe simplify the game plan. ... We know he can run the team, we know he has leadership ability."
"I think we just need to let [Jefferson] play."
You can squeeze whatever you like out of that, but sounds like he has a want for change in offensive philosophy. Maybe the end of read option, or most of it.
Posted on 9/13/10 at 10:10 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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he didn't, they don't
He did. Fourth quarter. 17 points. Next?
Posted on 9/13/10 at 10:15 pm to cubsgrace
Hanigraf (sp?) was pretty adamant on the post-game the Les was doing the play-calling (only after the int in the EZ?).
His line of reasoning was that pre-int we ran 11X and passed 8X on 1st downs. Post-int we ran 11X on 1st down; 0 passes on 1st down.
His line of reasoning was that pre-int we ran 11X and passed 8X on 1st downs. Post-int we ran 11X on 1st down; 0 passes on 1st down.
Posted on 9/13/10 at 10:58 pm to AlwysATgr
Has a Jimbo offense ever been consistently good anyway? I may be wrong, but I can't remember one.
Posted on 9/13/10 at 10:59 pm to DBG
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if he wasnt personally calling the plays, he most definitely told crowton what he could call
this.
Posted on 9/13/10 at 11:32 pm to LJBurton
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And you know this, how exactly.
Miles talked to Logan, Kragthorpe, and I believe one other person about the LSU OC position last year. When it came time to approve the firing of Crowton and the hiring of another, Alleva and the athletic department didn't approve it because of buyout. Only way they'd let him go is if Miles could find him another job.
Heard some of this from belowpar, and other stuff from big member of TAF (and yes, I know everyone seems to know TAF members); also heard some info about Miles/Crowton argument in 4th quarter of Ole Miss game last year from someone on the sideline. Put it all together and it's easy to see that Miles wasn't forming some grand scheme to secure him only one more year at LSU.
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and another Rant Rumor
At least it actually makes sense. See my previous post about coaches wanting long term job security.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 7:21 am to south bama tiger
Miles is great.
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