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re: Miles at his WORST is still elite in SEC!
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:42 am to LNCHBOX
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:42 am to LNCHBOX
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We were still in it up until losing to Bama, but don't let facts get in the way.
Mathematically, yes, but our chances were less than 1%. We needed so many things to go our way (let alone needing to win out ourselves) that we were not realistically in it. You are really reaching if you are trying to claim that finishing 6th in the West, 3 games out of the lead, is competing for the division title.
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Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:44 am to Nuts4LSU
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Mathematically, yes
You could have just stopped right there.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:44 am to LNCHBOX
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You may want to recheck your math.
No, your idea of competing is apparently finishing in the top 6 of a 7-team division, so you need to check your definition of "competing".
Name the season from 2008 through 2014 that, with two SEC games left to play, we had a solid, realistic chance to win the division (other than 2011).
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:45 am to LNCHBOX
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You could have just stopped right there.
Oh, please. Vanderbilt competed for the SEC East this year, then, since they were still mathematically in it until sometime in mid to late October. I thought you were trying to have a serious discussion.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:46 am to Nuts4LSU
2010, needed auburn to lose last two and us to win last two.
2012, just needed to beat Bama.
2012, just needed to beat Bama.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:49 am to Nuts4LSU
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Oh, please. Vanderbilt competed for the SEC East this year, then, since they were still mathematically in it until sometime in mid to late October. I thought you were trying to have a serious discussion.
Yea, Vanderbilt and our seasons are exactly alike. Had we beaten Bama, we'd have been right in the thick of it. Everything else we needed to happen has happened for us to have been in the discussion.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:49 am to LNCHBOX
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I expect to compete for the west title pretty much every year.
Well, according to your definition, it's pretty much impossible NOT to compete for it. This year, we are going to finish .500 at best, 3 games out of the lead, and in no better than 5th place out of 7 teams, yet you claim we "competed" for the west title. By your definition, Vanderbilt has competed for every SEC East title since divisional play began, and Tulane (along with every other team in the country) has competed for the national championship every year of their program's existence.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:50 am to Nuts4LSU
We were in the discussion until an OT loss in November. Sorry you can't admit that.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:52 am to lsuexpert57
Poor rationale in OP
Bama 10
LSU 22
Fla 27 - just fired their coach
USC 28 - Spurrier has 23 SEC losses (Miles has 20)
GA 28 - Richt has 18 losses (Miles 20)
Mizzo 28 - has only lost 8 SEC games since joining (Miles has 11 losses since)
AUB 31 - new coach, with only 4 SEC losses (Miles has 7)
TAMU 35 - 10 SEC losses since joining (Miles has 9)
MSU 37 - 25 SEC losses (Miles 15)
OleMS 39 - Freeze has 12 SEC losses (Miles has 10)
ARK 39 - LOL, only SEC win was against Miles
Tenn 46 - fired their coach. Butch has 10 SEC losses (Miles has 7)
Vandy 48 - new coach, 6 SEC losses (Miles with 4)
Ken 52 - fired their coach in 2012
Bama 10
LSU 22
Fla 27 - just fired their coach
USC 28 - Spurrier has 23 SEC losses (Miles has 20)
GA 28 - Richt has 18 losses (Miles 20)
Mizzo 28 - has only lost 8 SEC games since joining (Miles has 11 losses since)
AUB 31 - new coach, with only 4 SEC losses (Miles has 7)
TAMU 35 - 10 SEC losses since joining (Miles has 9)
MSU 37 - 25 SEC losses (Miles 15)
OleMS 39 - Freeze has 12 SEC losses (Miles has 10)
ARK 39 - LOL, only SEC win was against Miles
Tenn 46 - fired their coach. Butch has 10 SEC losses (Miles has 7)
Vandy 48 - new coach, 6 SEC losses (Miles with 4)
Ken 52 - fired their coach in 2012
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:52 am to LNCHBOX
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2010, needed auburn to lose last two and us to win last two. 2012, just needed to beat Bama.
When we took the field in our 7th SEC game in 2010 (i.e., GOING INTO OUR LAST TWO SEC GAMES), Auburn had already clinched the West title. In 2012, Alabama was only our 6th game. After losing that, we entered our last two games of SEC play with no chance of winning the division. Seriously, dude, are you slow? Name one year since 2007, other than 2011, that we entered our last two SEC games with a realistic chance to win the division. That's got to be the minimum standard for competing. It's happened once in seven years.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 12:55 am to LNCHBOX
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We were in the discussion until an OT loss in November. Sorry you can't admit that.
In the discussion on the Tiger rant only. Nobody was talking about LSU as a contender, as well they shouldn't. We had less than a 1% chance. Even if you give us credit for being in it until then, that still wasn't in the last two games of SEC play. Going into the last two games (Arkie and A&M), we were already out of it. I've seen some hardheaded folks around here, but you are one of the more "special" ones I've seen.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:04 am to Nuts4LSU
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In the discussion on the Tiger rant only.
Wrong. But whatever. The glass is 95% empty your negative self. We had a shot at the west until an OT loss. Nothing will change that fact no matter how many times you act like it isn't a fact.
You should change you name to negative4lsu.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:05 am to Nuts4LSU
And what's really fun is all I said was I expect that. Not that it happens every year or the coach should be fired.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:16 am to Nuts4LSU
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When we took the field in our 7th SEC game in 2010 (i.e., GOING INTO OUR LAST TWO SEC GAMES), Auburn had already clinched the West
It's also funny that you use this as an example because auburn had a bye before Bama. Had that bye been before or on ours, they wouldn't have clinched it a week early.
Through 6 sec games for each, they had not clinched. But I'm sure that won't matter to you.
This post was edited on 11/20/14 at 1:17 am
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:19 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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6th place in the division is not elite. Sorry buddy.
this may be mincing words, but i would never call one team from one year elite or non-elite. take the whole "is eli manning an elite quarterback?" conversation from last season: the whole point was that being called "elite" represents a full body of work, rather than a one-year perspective. drew brees ain't been having a stellar year, but i think a lot of people would still call him an elite quarterback.
but you know what is definitely not elite? going on your team's message board to call your team "not elite." that's beta as frick, bruh.
it's easy to lose perspective but if we'd beat bama, the division would be in a multi-way tie. because we lost, though, that allowed the chips to fall where they are now and our divisional rank ain't good. the SECw is, top to bottom, pound for pound, the most talented division in college football. having a team that aren't world-beaters doesn't mean that we're bad -it just means that we're having a bad year in our conference.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:20 am to LNCHBOX
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You should change you name to negative4lsu.
Have a great day, sir. If this season has met with your definition of a successful one, then far be it from me to deter you from celebrating the thrill of maybe, hopefully finishing in the top 5*.
(*-of the SEC West)
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:22 am to Nuts4LSU
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If this season has met with your definition of a successful one
I've said at least three times in this thread that I'm not happy with this season, but by all means, put words in my mouth.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:25 am to tigernation56
While I'm not saying that a bad season for LSU(probably 8-4 maybe 7-5) may be horrible in the fan's eyes. Let's not forget that auburn in 2012 went 3-9. Last year state went 6-6. Ole Miss went 6-6 in 2012. USCe this year is 5-5 and in danger of not making a bowl game. All these teams have been relevant in the last year and a half and if you go back over the last 4 years, all of them minus USCe haven't been to consecutive bowl games while LSU has. That's elite to me. If you can maintain success in the SEC, especially at the level LSU has then you're elite. God forbid you don't win it all every year.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:29 am to SammyTiger
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it sucks, but at the same time the West is crazy good.
Personally, I think the West is down.
Posted on 11/20/14 at 1:31 am to LNCHBOX
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I've said at least three times in this thread that I'm not happy with this season, but by all means, put words in my mouth.
Interesting. You did the same thing to me earlier.
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