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re: Miles' aplogists on the QB situation...
Posted on 7/9/10 at 5:33 pm to genuineLSUtiger
Posted on 7/9/10 at 5:33 pm to genuineLSUtiger
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How are you and Les related Choctaw? Just out of curiosity.
we're half-brothers except different dads and moms.
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Posted on 7/9/10 at 5:33 pm to Choctaw
Ah. It all makes sense now.
Posted on 7/9/10 at 5:43 pm to Choctaw
Choctaw, we need to have a drinking contest at the LSU/Bama game.
Me and you versus PJ and Tubucky
Me and you versus PJ and Tubucky
Posted on 7/9/10 at 5:44 pm to ottothewise
This coming season, if both JL and JJ have injuries which keep them out of the very same game vs Florida or Bama, and Barrett Bailey is the starter, we will all wonder about Garrett, particularly if he is starting for Southern Miss or U La LA and doing well.
My guess is Bailey will do just as well against UF or Bama this year as CG would if pressed into duty, neither would have a snowballs chance if that happens. Once again if JJ and JL go down this year, CG wasn't going to be the answer.
Posted on 7/9/10 at 5:48 pm to Rocket
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Choctaw, we need to have a drinking contest at the LSU/Bama game.
Me and you versus PJ and Tubucky
Sounds like a plan....i'll even bring the wine coolers for PJ and coco.
Posted on 7/9/10 at 5:56 pm to Books
Ryan P - was just as good, if not better than Flynn. RP was so good that Flynn had nothing to do with the wins that got us to Atlanta. RP was the supreme leader. We could have won it all with just Ryan P.
And it sure seems that their careers show that one too.
And it sure seems that their careers show that one too.
Posted on 7/9/10 at 6:01 pm to Books
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LSU at BEST has a RS frosh in '12 who's never started a game
Zach Lee will either be a junior or redshirt sophomore in the 2012 season.
I think you're overreacting as is evidence by your quoted comment.
Posted on 7/9/10 at 6:11 pm to peopleschamp
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Jefferson is our QB and will start every game barring injury
Posted on 7/9/10 at 7:01 pm to Books
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what the f was the point of UF having Brantley sitting on his arse while Tebow was playing? Are you this stupid? Or you prefer what LSU went through the last two years at the QB pos.? Wasn't it nice when after JR LSU had Flynn still on the team?
You act like this is specific to LSU. You act like this has never happened at LSU before. Hodson graduated and LSU only had (5th yr senior) Sol Graves. He sucked so they played a true freshman Chad Loup. He sucked so they played Jamie Howard. He sucked so they played Herb Tyler....and on and on and on. hell even the great Nick Satan had Marcus Randall as his starting QB
it means Tebow could have blown out a knee and brantley could have been the starter. it means brantley could have gotten pissed and transferred. it means even in a run where they won two BCS in three years at any point UF could have been depleted at the QB position. it means things change constantly and moves have to be made now. No one knows what the future holds
it means college football is a very volatile business and these are kids. So if CG was not doing his job and LM believes it was in the best interest of the kid and the program then so be it
So getting worked up about one kid leaving and how it affects the program 3 years from now is retarded. What if ZLee is the second coming? what if LSU signs a kid that blows up? Why get worked up over the 3rd string QB when we dont have any idea what the kid was like in person? They saw the kid everyday, they know what he was like and apparently they didnt like what they saw.
Posted on 7/9/10 at 7:03 pm to JPLSU1981
according to Books, Stoups must be an idiot because all he had was a RSF behind Bradford (with a history of shoulder problems) at OU
Posted on 7/9/10 at 7:08 pm to supatigah
I'm not all that worried about this (that said, I will be if for some reason Lee isn't at LSU in the Fall).
If we "cut" Garrett, then we obviously had good reasons (IMO our reasons are that our coaches know for sure Lee is coming in combination with they feel Garrett likely won't ever be the starting QB at LSU due to his progress/attitude/work ethic).
If he "left" us because he wasn't happy with his spot in the pecking order, then so be it ... best of luck to ya, Garrett.
Aug 16th comes, and this will be forgotten.
If we "cut" Garrett, then we obviously had good reasons (IMO our reasons are that our coaches know for sure Lee is coming in combination with they feel Garrett likely won't ever be the starting QB at LSU due to his progress/attitude/work ethic).
If he "left" us because he wasn't happy with his spot in the pecking order, then so be it ... best of luck to ya, Garrett.
Aug 16th comes, and this will be forgotten.
This post was edited on 7/9/10 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 7/9/10 at 7:09 pm to dos crystal
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what does that say about the coach who recruited and signed rick clausen, marcus randal, and star jackson?
It says you can make one bad choice every now and then in recruiting, or you can have an occasional guy that doesn't develop like you hoped, but when you are 0-for-4 over the past three years, and with nothing in the pipeline for the next three years except one kid who might or might not play for you and if he does might or might not be any better than the other four 4-star or higher guys you haven't gotten jack shite out of, you're fricking up.
Posted on 7/9/10 at 7:14 pm to supatigah
how do you not get this...it's not that it never happens, it's that when you're left w/ a frosh or RS frosh to lead your offense it usually doesn't work out well, ie the last two yrs. Wouldn't you want to avoid those situations by having an older more mature QB that's been in your system? Chances you suck w/ a younger QB are higher than w/ an older more experienced one
This post was edited on 7/9/10 at 7:17 pm
Posted on 7/9/10 at 7:16 pm to Books
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it's that when you're left w/ a frosh or RS frosh to lead your offense it usually doesn't work out well,
I totally agree with that, but at the moment that is irrelevant because you are working under the assumption that we will have a freshman, or RS freshman QB leading the offense, which we do not, and as is currently set up, will not for the next 4 years.
Zach Lee will be either a Jr or a RS sophomore in 2012.
eta: and everyone also seems to be forgetting that if something crazy happens (injuries, departures), we've got another QB on the roster that happens to be playing WR at moment.
This post was edited on 7/9/10 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 7/9/10 at 7:26 pm to Books
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how do you not get this...it's not that it never happens, it's that when you're left w/ a frosh or RS frosh to lead your offense it usually doesn't work out well, ie the last two yrs. Wouldn't you want to avoid those situations by having an older more mature QB that's been in your system? Chances you suck w/ a younger QB are higher than w/ an older more experienced one
oh I get it
but:
I cant fix it
I cant control it
I cant impact it
I dont the know the whole story
so it is what it is
shite happens and if the kid was that bad or if his attitude sucked and he was not coachable then you hanging your hat on him to be the experienced impact QB of 2012 is foolish. Clearly if it was bad enough to cut ties with him so early in his career it must have been really bad and LM didnt feel like they could count on him
but what they did do was open a huge hole for their recruiting staff to go out and repair the damage with a QB signee. I have my doubts about Crowton and I feel like his force feeding an overly complicated system in August and then dumbing it down in the season is the real problem. And I doubt Crowton will be here much longer, but if a loyal guy like Miles lets a kid go (and Crowton clearly signed off on it for it to happen) it has to be for a damn good reason.
This post was edited on 7/9/10 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 7/9/10 at 7:32 pm to Choctaw
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but had RP been able to stick around
Whos to say LSU would have done any better????
Posted on 7/9/10 at 7:33 pm to supatigah
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what they did do was open a huge whole for their recruiting staff to go out and repair the damage with a QB signee.
Who, if he signs this next February, will be a RS freshman when he's called upon to contribute in the 2012 season.
Who, if he happens to be a 4-star (like J. Lee, Jefferson and Garrett) or even a 5-star (like R. Shepard), has no better chance of developing into a QB than any of those guys did.
Three years, four quarterbacks, 17 stars between them, and diddly to show for it. But Zach Lee or some 4/5-star to be named later is suddenly going to change all that. Right.
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if a loyal guy like Miles lets a kid go (and Crowton clearly signed off on it for it to happen) it has to be for a damn good reason.
The damn good reason is the damn poor job he and Crowton have done in evaluating/recruiting/developing QBs. 0-for-4 with a 1st round MLB draft pick waiting to be number 5.
This post was edited on 7/9/10 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 7/9/10 at 7:41 pm to Nuts4LSU
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Who, if he signs this next February, will be a RS freshman when he's called upon to contribute in the 2012 season.
if Lee is gone
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Who, if he happens to be a 4-star (like J. Lee, Jefferson and Garrett) or even a 5-star (like R. Shepard), has no better chance of developing into a QB than any of those guys did.
your opinion, we'll see
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Three years, four quarterbacks, 17 stars between them, and diddly to show for it. But Zach Lee or some 4/5-star to be named later is suddenly going to change all that. Right.
we'll see
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The damn good reason is the damn poor job he and Crowton have done in evaluating/recruiting/developing QBs. 0-for-4 with a 1st round MLB draft pick waiting to be number 5.
no argument here
Posted on 7/9/10 at 7:42 pm to Choctaw
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Sounds like a plan....i'll even bring the wine coolers for PJ and coco.
I will bring a CASE or TWO of buds and real men will be standing at the end.
Posted on 7/9/10 at 7:45 pm to dukke v
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I will bring a CASE or TWO of buds and real men will be standing at the end.
Im not so sure about tubucoco...Rocket already said he was going to crack him over the head with a 5th of whiskey. This post was edited on 7/9/10 at 7:48 pm
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