re: Miles and Cam better not let these guys down.

People also assumed that the defense would be up to par with what we've seen in recent years and that we wouldn't have a complete meltdown on special teams.

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The point was that last year, people said that the type numbers we got from BH this year would be all it would take. They were wrong.

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I don't think anyone even remotely said that if BH only completed 54% of his passes, that we would be good, or that is all it would take. What chilge is talking about is if we can get him in the 60s, not only would we complete more passes, but the offense is likely to be opened up a bit more. Obviously the coaches knew he struggled on the short to intermediate routes...that's why we didn't throw them as much. That's not a Les Miles trademark. Hell, there was a thread you started back in 2011 I found where you were saying something to the effect that we FINALLY showed that we will throw the ball downfield. You were sick of the shorter passes. Whether we want to admit it or not, Les actually does steer the offense around the capabilities of the guy under center.

Now to the rest of this....absolutely none of us are saying the passing offense has been good the past couple of years. None of us are saying we can do the same next year. The 90s in rankings are rough. We need to do better. All we are saying is that we don't need to be top 25 to win a championship. Very few teams have been in the top half of the NCAA PER GAME in passing who have won one in the past 10 years. If we were able to get 40-50 more yards per game more production, with a 7-10% better completion percentage, with the running game we have, we would be very hard to stop. Agree?

Ummm....not sure what you are asking? Of course a better passing game would be beneficial.

The statement was made earlier that we must be in the top half of the NCAA in passing (he tries to make it sound as though he meant total yards, even though it is an asinine stat to look at) yardage per game to win a NC. I simply pointed out that the majority of the NCs in the past 10 years have not. And only 1 out of 6 in the SEC (1 out of 7 if bama wins tomorrow) have been. We need to do better. We don't have to average 300 yards per game to win it all, though.

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Hell, there was a thread you started back in 2011 I found where you were saying something to the effect that we FINALLY showed that we will throw the ball downfield.

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2 top 25 finishes in the last 8 years in rushing and that's your proof! Exactly what is it about offense and our record and our final rankings are you confused about sir?

Thank you!

Ok, about 15+ and half 15- for completion. More successful teams are nearly 2-1 in the -15 category. Shorter pass are higher percentage and should be easier for a qb.

Remember, a bunch of the 0-15 were also thrown behind the line and blown up because the Defense saw them coming.

You can't escape predictability.

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Just support the fricking coaches and the team and let the shite play out instead of being "miserable".

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No, we need to have a sense of urgency. I view our current program as a Ferrari, but with a driver that has fallen into mediocrity over the last 7 years. We went a LONG time between championships, between 1958 to 2003. We may not get the chance again to have what we have right now (talent and overall program level). We need to demand excellence of our HC, and we need to fire him and hire a better HC if he isn’t doing the job.

Do the championship teams of the last few years just sit back and accept being mediocre? No, they demand excellence, and so should we.

See here now...SFP should pay attention to this. THIS is a straw man argument.

Not sure exactly what you are wanting me to say here, so I'll try to add a little personal opinion along with stats.

The stats of the past 10 years show that the NC winners, with the exception of 1, have all averaged less than 250 yards per game passing. Personally, I think this is for a few reasons...typically, a team won't average 600 yards per game of offense. 500 is great...a 250 yard passing average would mean they had a pretty balanced attack...they weren't one dimensional. Teams that are heavy rush with very little passing (LSU the past few years) have a hard time matching up against a the entirety of the teams they will see in a season. Conversely, teams that are heavily into the passing game with little rushing component will struggle as well. I think it is for this reason why you don't see a bunch of pass heavy, or rush heavy teams atop the mountain.

Now, can we average 300 yards per game passing and do well? Possibly. Especially if we have 300-350 rushing average as well. But there simply isn't enough time in the game usually, ESPECIALLY playing in the SEC with its many ball control offenses, for this to happen.

Throw in the fact that we generally recruit lineman, skill personnel, and coaches geared toward a run heavy, pro set offense, and us trying to average 300 yards per game passing would likely end up bad.

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Shorter pass are higher percentage and should be easier for a qb.

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I don't have stats on hand for 0-15-25-+25yd attempts, but short passing seemed pretty dismal and would expect 2 X compl at best.
Also I'd categorize 15-25yd intermediate, not deep.

2016 I expect Harris to naturally progress with hitting more targets, in turn giving staff more confidence in agressive calls and all the Miles/Cam whiners to tout how correct they were about "opening up the offense", "what took them so long" etc, etc.