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re: Mediocre is 2 - 9 versus ranked teams over the last 2.5+ seasons
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:11 am to jdrumdog
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:11 am to jdrumdog
Just give it up man.
You didn't really prove anything.
Everything you did may have felt good and right, but you didn't really reach any sort of conclusion and you aren't going to change my mind. I don't really care if you think I'm stupid. I'm smart enough to know that I don't need to come on a message board and rip another person's intelligence whilst bringing up all the "letters on my degree" to feel good about my own intellect.
You reached a conclusion in your own mind that wasn't proven elsewhere... and there's no need for you to link to your own fallacies and poor arguments.
You didn't really prove anything.
Everything you did may have felt good and right, but you didn't really reach any sort of conclusion and you aren't going to change my mind. I don't really care if you think I'm stupid. I'm smart enough to know that I don't need to come on a message board and rip another person's intelligence whilst bringing up all the "letters on my degree" to feel good about my own intellect.
You reached a conclusion in your own mind that wasn't proven elsewhere... and there's no need for you to link to your own fallacies and poor arguments.
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Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:12 am to LSUMafia
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but when an entire class of OL fails to stay on the team even 3 years that goes back to the recruiters.
what's your take on that, btw?
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:14 am to DrSteveBrule
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Our offense is frickING TERRIBLE. Whenever you are THIS BAD on a whole DIMENSION of the game of football is it really necessary to ask if we are seeing bad football?
Okay, this is self-evident by any visual or statistical measure.
So then, has our offense always been bad under Miles? Has it gotten worse every year? Has it gotten worse some years and then better the next?
Obviously it's been abysmal the last two years, but why are those the only two years that matter?
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LSU has never played good football under Miles. There have been games where LSU played lights out,
So which is it?
They have or haven't? Sometimes? Here or there?
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Playcalling has always been atrocious. Kentucky in 2007. Auburn in 2007, the pass on the final down of the game was such a low percentage play.
By your examples, there seems to be a more unifying theme than Miles going on...
ETA: Regarding penalties... pretty sure Bama was the most penalized team in the SEC last year... and one of the worst in the nation. Did they play bad football under Saban all last year?
This post was edited on 10/29/10 at 3:16 am
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:18 am to OBUDan
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Obviously it's been abysmal the last two years, but why are those the only two years that matter?
Wow, certainly this is posting while intoxicated. Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:19 am to LSUMafia
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Not strange at all. It was one that came from shitty recruiting and player evaluation. Lots of coaches take risks, but don't make them a large segment of their team much less a large segment of one position area.
The funny thing is, you haven't the slightest idea of what you are talking about.
If you want to talk attrition, I'll talk attrition with you.
Over a 5 year period with consistent head coaches, LSU and Florida far outmatched ANY program in the SEC in attrition rate. Coincidentally, they were also the most successful of the two programs in that same 5 year span.
Georgia's attrition rate was half that of what LSU or Florida's was.
So, since Florida had just as high of an attrition rate as LSU... and around the same amount of wins and losses over the last 5 years... was it shitty coaching/evaluating/recruiting there?
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:19 am to OBUDan
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That's cute and typical of you. Show up three hours later, don't read anything I've written and accuse me of something I didn't say.
I was doing things at my job, how dare I step away from this board for a few hours to get shite done. You have continually changed your argument in this thread and every change has been another way to cover Miles' arse and deflect blame, going even as far as deflecting the importance of coaching in obtaining victory since its 95% talent to you.
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Right, so all these "thugs" we recruited that no one would want... why did they end up at OU, Arkansas, South Carolina... even AFTER we gave their asses the boot for failing drug tests, stealing... fighting....
Well, seeing as Loadholt went to OU not for being a thug but not having the math class to get into LSU, you're full of shite. I love how you ignore the context and rest of my statements saying that other teams take risks, but not as many and not so many in one position. So as usual, you fail again.
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This is such a pathetic argument, I'm not even going to address it.
Was it not you and the Miles brigade that said why not count wins like against a #9 Auburn team in 2008 despite the fact the team ended the season 5-7? You were the one claiming rankings at the time of the game are more important than rankings based on an entire season's actual performance.
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Again, flexing your profound knowledge of the game. Cameron Newton took all of what 15-20 snaps at Florida... he sure seems to be making a world of difference for Auburn... no?
You can't be this stupid, can you? I know you are into recruiting, but you are really comparing Mettenberger to Newton? One is a RS Junior that actually got snaps, meaningful or not, in a real FBS game. Outside the fact that Newton is a physical freak at 6'6 250 lbs and runs for most of his yards is irrelevant, right?
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Yep and you can go ahead and look through the thread and find out that I never said he was a great coach.
Maybe not, but you basically called anyone saying he's not a great coach out because we obviously think he's a worthless piece of shite and can't possibly think he's just not good, but mediocre as a coach outside of recruiting.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:19 am to LSUMafia
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If they wanted to stay on top, they needed to hire someone with a stronger resume. LSU won't be hiring a coordinator with no head coaching experience unless they are one of the top notch candidates. Bama pays Saban just a bit more than Miles. They went out and got a proven commodity in Saban. LSU could do the same, but using the Miami's/ND's of the world to justify holding on to a mediocre coach that is paid in the top 6 in the entire country is pathetic.
Who the hell is available with a resume like Saban had? Maybe Pete Carroll in a couple years? You almost always have to take a risk on someone because top coaches do not change jobs often. I'm not saying this should stop us from replacing our coach, but you just aren't going to get a proven top coach to come here.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Wow, certainly this is posting while intoxicated.
It's less intoxication than it is pure statistical reasoning...
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:22 am to OBUDan
Simply because LSU is in the midst of an offensive slump that started in '09. There are slight improvements but not enough to win a championship.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:22 am to OBUDan
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You reached a conclusion in your own mind that wasn't proven elsewhere... and there's no need for you to link to your own fallacies and poor arguments.
so you would rather not link your falsehood and the subsequent links that prove it? Again, I'm sorry that you cannot accept it, but you have been proven wrong again and again.
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Everything you did may have felt good and right, but you didn't really reach any sort of conclusion and you aren't going to change my mind.
I'm not here to change your mind. I'm here to prove to you that what you believe is fact is in reality an opinion. It certainly seems like you have a problem with individuals that appear more intelligent than yourself.
You may be smart enough to know you don't need to come to a message board and rip another person's intelligence, yet here you are ripping a person based on such criteria. It's directly hypocritical. You're also presenting another straw man argument, and presenting another one in the place of the original statement.
I didn't come into this conversation believing you were stupid, in fact it was quite the opposite. However, I must admit, some of your statements have appeared quite absurd at times. I don't believe I'm the only one in believing so either.
I have not reached a conclusion in my own mind. Rather, you have reached a conclusion based in your own mind over what selective facts you would rather take to heart. You have attached your own definition to the word "coaching", you definitely put a negative light to those who criticized, by definition, the actual acts of coaching (again, proven by the definition of what a "coach" and "coaching" are).
I have no problem in linking back these previous pages. They are fact based. I cannot help the fact that you cannot see reality. But the definition of
"coaching" and the phrasing of your statement are in direct contradiction to what you state they really are. You have your own opinion about what you stated, and I have facts that what you stated, barring new definitions from Merriam-Webster, is simply not true. You attempted to banner together an abstract term for yourself, proceed to piece a statement together that was false and absurd, and then produced it as an absolute truth. I have proved it otherwise.
You can provide all the opinion you want to discredit any facts, but unfortunately, facts are not opinions. (That's an absolute statement, by the way).
This post was edited on 10/29/10 at 3:23 am
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:24 am to OBUDan
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So which is it?
They have or haven't? Sometimes? Here or there?
Sometimes I have horrible days.
Sometimes I have awesome days.
All in all, I enjoy my life and wouldn't trade it.
It's the exact same concept.
Teams under Les Miles have been fairly stagnant. They have played good games here and there. On a regular basis, they have played down to the level of their opponent, sometimes worse.
Not really sure what more you are looking for here. Has the offense always been this bad? No. Back when Miles inherited the team, he had great offensive talent. He had 3 full years of having at least 2 very good college quarterbacks on his team. The last 3 years, not so much. Our offense this year and last year are the worst.
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Obviously it's been abysmal the last two years, but why are those the only two years that matter?
Why does it matter? Are you this dense and ignorant? Do you even realize that in 2009 and 2010 we have one of the worst offenses in the FBS. Does it ever occur to you that that's why emphasis is placed on these 2 years? LSU offense did pretty well when Miles got here. Crowton did well his first year. And it has gotten worse and worse the past 3 years. Whenever there is a significant trend, you look at what you have to go off of. Our offense in 2009 and 2010 has nothing to do with our fricking offense in 2006. Stop using that stupid argument.
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ETA: Regarding penalties... pretty sure Bama was the most penalized team in the SEC last year... and one of the worst in the nation. Did they play bad football under Saban all last year?
So because Saban had a highly penalized football team, that means that it's okay for LSU to show tremendous lack of discipline on the field? Watch an LSU game and then Watch a Bama game. It's like watching High School and then turning on the NFL. Discipline is a part of it, and I would still take Saban's discipline over Miles'
This post was edited on 10/29/10 at 3:27 am
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:25 am to LSUMafia
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You have continually changed your argument in this thread and every change has been another way to cover Miles' arse and deflect blame, going even as far as deflecting the importance of coaching in obtaining victory since its 95% talent to you.
My stance has been consistent. But you haven't read the thread, so I wouldn't expect you to know...
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Well, seeing as Loadholt went to OU not for being a thug but not having the math class to get into LSU, you're full of shite. I love how you ignore the context and rest of my statements saying that other teams take risks, but not as many and not so many in one position. So as usual, you fail again.
Right... so that's Miles fault right? Cause Loadholt couldn't pass a math class?
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Was it not you and the Miles brigade that said why not count wins like against a #9 Auburn team in 2008 despite the fact the team ended the season 5-7? You were the one claiming rankings at the time of the game are more important than rankings based on an entire season's actual performance.
Haven't said shite about the 2008 victory over Auburn since... well... probably 2008.
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You can't be this stupid, can you? I know you are into recruiting, but you are really comparing Mettenberger to Newton? One is a RS Junior that actually got snaps, meaningful or not, in a real FBS game. Outside the fact that Newton is a physical freak at 6'6 250 lbs and runs for most of his yards is irrelevant, right?
This has nothing to do with being a physical freak or whatever. You basically wrote Mettenberger off because he "took no snaps in a 'real FBS game' yet somehow Newton is magically excluded from that because he's taller and faster and took 15 snaps..?
It's really shoddy reasoning...
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Maybe not, but you basically called anyone saying he's not a great coach out because we obviously think he's a worthless piece of shite and can't possibly think he's just not good, but mediocre as a coach outside of recruiting.
Forgive me for taking issue with anyone who would honestly think Miles is a "worthless piece of shite." I don't think there's an intellectually honest football fan/analyst in the country that would believe that...
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:25 am to OBUDan
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So, since Florida had just as high of an attrition rate as LSU... and around the same amount of wins and losses over the last 5 years... was it shitty coaching/evaluating/recruiting there?
So you are comparing LSU and Miles to Florida and Meyer now? The same team that won the NC 2 times in the last 4 years, was a game away from the NC last year, and was 13-1 3 of the last 4 years?
Yup, looks like attrition was an excuse for Meyer.
Yet somehow Miles somehow can't manage a lick of offense for 2 years straight AND loses 4+ games for two seasons because of attrition?
So basically Meye is a great coach while Miles is mediocre.
Dude, you are screwing your own arguments here.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:26 am to OBUDan
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It's less intoxication than it is pure statistical reasoning...
Absurd statement of the night. My goodness..
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:27 am to jdrumdog
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I'm here to prove to you that what you believe is fact is in reality an opinion.
Wait, this whole time you've been telling me that what I said was opinion was fact... so now you are doing it the other way...
Just give it up.
You said about 25 posts ago that you were content with me having the last word blah blah... it's becoming annoying and it's really insignificant to the topic of thread and merely a personal mission of yours to prove your intellect over mine.
Congrats. Take your moral victory and don't spend it all in one place.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:28 am to OBUDan
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My stance has been consistent.
It's been anything but consistent, unless you count severe ignorance of fact based evidence as consistent.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:29 am to OBUDan
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This has nothing to do with being a physical freak or whatever. You basically wrote Mettenberger off because he "took no snaps in a 'real FBS game' yet somehow Newton is magically excluded from that because he's taller and faster and took 15 snaps..?
It's really shoddy reasoning...
No, it's actually not. There is a big difference between being a physical freak that can run, which is what Newton does great moreso than a passing QB that has to do more things as far as reading defenses. If Cam couldn't be the dominant runner based on speed and size, his transition would've been much more difficult and less successful.
I seriously also doubt we'll get an OC the caliber of Malzhan if we get a new one at all.
But believe what you want. I think Mettenberger has tons of potential, but given our staff, I doubt they actually use him correctly to begin with.
This post was edited on 10/29/10 at 3:31 am
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:29 am to jdrumdog
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My stance has been consistent.
How is your stance consistent.
You appear to be defending Miles, but you claim that you never said he was a good coach.
It's anything but consistent.
Why are you even attempting to argue with us if you won't say he's a good coach?
I go back to my troll statement, and I stand by it.
Good night. Not worth the trouble.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:31 am to DrSteveBrule
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Our offense in 2009 and 2010 has nothing to do with our fricking offense in 2006. Stop using that stupid argument.
I'm not using that argument though you are.
Our offense in 2010 has nothing to do with our offense in 2008.
Our offense in 2010 has nothing to do with our offense in 2009.
OUr offense in 2009 has nothign to do with our offense in 2008.
All three are different teams with different players and different coaches.
No one seems to understand the fact that these are different... and comparing one to the other is no more honest than me trying to compare 2010 to 2006... or 1964... or 1958 or 2001... which was my point all along...
Posted on 10/29/10 at 3:32 am to OBUDan
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Wait, this whole time you've been telling me that what I said was opinion was fact... so now you are doing it the other way...
This is an incorrect statement. What you provided as a fact is in actuality a false statement, through your false belief that what you believe is an opinion is a false statement; in reality, a lie or untruth if you will.
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You said about 25 posts ago that you were content with me having the last word blah blah... it's becoming annoying and it's really insignificant to the topic of thread and merely a personal mission of yours to prove your intellect over mine.
Congrats. Take your moral victory and don't spend it all in one place.
Aye, another rub. Is it safe to assume that you must have the last word? So much so that you must come back repeatedly to a thread where not only are you being argumentative with myself, but with other posters with legitimate issues?
And by moral victory, do you mean moral victory such as LSU gained at Auburn? Also, it's inherently impossible to "spend" a moral victory.
This post was edited on 10/29/10 at 3:33 am
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