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re: Mediocre is 2 - 9 versus ranked teams over the last 2.5+ seasons
Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:47 am to jdrumdog
Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:47 am to jdrumdog
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I offered a word by word analysis, context included. I can provide this if you would so desire. My role in this process was to prove your statement false. I have done so, thanks to the English language and your inability to stray away from absolute argumentative subject matter.
No you really didn't offer any analysis.
What you offered was your subjective interpretation of an isolated sentence in the midst of an opinion community.
You're now being intellectually dishonest by trying to proclaim that I presented something as fact (which, you cannot prove in any sort of manner other than to say "I interpreted this as fact because you capitalized three letters."), when I simply made a statement, just as any other person would make a statement, on a message board.
Methinks you don't understand what a fact is. So let's use your tired defense to attempt to prove something to you:
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In summary, a fact is something quantifiable and proveable:
-There are 50 states.
-Barack Obama is the President of the United States of America.
-TigerDroppings.com is a website.
-Coaching is a part of football.
There are also opinions:
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These are things that can't be quantified or verified or proven:
-Lindsay Lohan is hot.
-People overrate Tom Brady.
-Coaching is the most overrated aspect of football.
Anytime someone reads ANYTHING it become subject to their interpretation, which is why people have entire careers devoted to Literary criticism and there are 15,000,000 papers written about King Lear, because 1,000,000 scholars all interpret the information presented differently, which makes it no more or less factual, regardless of it's presentation.
I'm sure you are probably a 3rd year philosophy or linguistics student, and maybe you think you've happened onto some revelatory discovery, but your intellectual reasoning in this case is terribly off course.
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Your statement was absolutely false and a lie.
Not really.
Could it be a poor opinion? Sure.
Absolutely "false and a lie." Not a chance...
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Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:54 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I agree with this with the exception that a string of individual seasons show a pattern and we are stuck in this pattern with horrible play on one side of the ball or the other.
See here's where we can get into interesting shite.
Every team is different.
No team (good or bad) should be judged based off a previous team or outcome.
It's easier to do this with athletes and be correct (Player X was fricking awesome last year, so he's going to be fricking awesome this year), but still fallible.
There's no amount of research data that would suggest that the most recent happening indicates the NEXT happening. That's all just how people interpret things.
Team X had a bad season last year, so they will surely have a bad season this year.
Nevermind that the variables in the equation are completely altered... It happened last year so it has to happen this year!
Now, we try to make judgments based off of things we saw from previous seasons and we hope that those things hold true for future seasons. But that's just not always the case.
Comparing the 2010 LSU team to the 2009 LSU team is no more correct than comparing the 2010 LSU team to the 2003 LSU team.
Different teams, different players, different opponents, different schedules... so much different.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:56 am to OBUDan
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See here's where we can get into interesting shite.
Every team is different.
No team (good or bad) should be judged based off a previous team or outcome.
I disagree. If your offense is as bad as LSU's was last year and continues through most of the next season, its a pattern and a recurring problem.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:57 am to OBUDan
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-Lindsay Lohan is hot.
-People overrate Tom Brady.
-Coaching is the most overrated aspect of football.
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you don't seem to understand, Dan.
Those statments are LIES, by definition: a false statement. When you use absolute statements, those are presented as facts, no opinions.
To take each statement one by one,
1. Lindsay Lohan is hot.
"Lindsay Lohan" is the noun. (Is that statement an opinion?)
definition of "is"
"Hot" would be the adjective, would it not? What you've stated is a statement that is FALSE. Why? Because it's not a fact. However, if you presented:
"I think Lindsay Lohan is hot...", THAT is an opinion. It's not an absolute statement, it's presented as an opinion.
2. People overrate Tom Brady.
Again, this is an ABSOLUTE statement. This is presented as a fact, in which it's not. However, if you presented this as follows:
I believe people overrate Tom Brady.
This is not presented as a fact. This is presented as a personal belief, an opinion.
3. Coaching is the most overrated aspect of football.
Again, this is presented as an absolute statement. It is not true, however it is presented as such. If you would have presented it as such:
I believe coaching is the most overrated aspect of football.
This is presented as an OPINION. You don't seem to understand, and I realize now you're not intelligent enough to understand. Your statement is inherently FALSE, presented as FACT, and proven to be FALSE.
Keep wallowing in your pool of ignorance.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 1:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
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its a pattern and a recurring problem.
We're starting:
2 new WRs.
Different OL in 4 different spots.
A new TE.
I'd say the concern is less what we did last season than our failure to improve over the course of this season.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 2:01 am to OBUDan
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I'm sure you are probably a 3rd year philosophy or linguistics student, and maybe you think you've happened onto some revelatory discovery, but your intellectual reasoning in this case is terribly off course.
You are incorrect. My intellectual reasoning is not reason...it is based on simple fact. Again, you are wrong. I'm also not a student. You assume I am, but again you assume incorrectly.
I have enough initials on my degrees that I believe I can have intelligent reasoning, however. You're welcome to debase me however you deem necessary. It does not change that, by every factual account, your statement is still false.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 2:01 am to OBUDan
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I'd say the concern is less what we did last season than our failure to improve over the course of this season.
THIS is an opinion.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 2:04 am to OBUDan
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We're starting:
2 new WRs.
Different OL in 4 different spots.
A new TE.
I'd say the concern is less what we did last season than our failure to improve over the course of this season.
Making the same mistakes year to year is a problem. And a pattern. LSU has some serious issues that the staff isn't dealing with.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 2:06 am to OBUDan
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What you offered was your subjective interpretation of an isolated sentence in the midst of an opinion community.
Incorrect. I even, by your own admission, offered your sentences in context. I offered, but you did not answer yes or no to a word by word analysis. You are again incorrect.
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You're now being intellectually dishonest by trying to proclaim that I presented something as fact (which, you cannot prove in any sort of manner other than to say "I interpreted this as fact because you capitalized three letters."), when I simply made a statement, just as any other person would make a statement, on a message board.
It does not change the fact that you presented a statement as an absolute truth by your inherent presentation. This is not argumentative, by definition, you are still incorrect and have been proven so repeatedly.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 2:08 am to jdrumdog
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Those statments are LIES, by definition: a false statement. When you use absolute statements, those are presented as facts, no opinions.
Dear god man, you are clueless.
It's a message board. I'm not writing a fricking academic paper, and I've already told you at least 15 fricking times that neither I, nor anyone else is going to sit here and qualify EVERY frickING STATEMENT as opinion or fact.
Have you never been on a message board? It's like tonight is your first night or something...
Who in their right mind goes on a message board and says this....
"I believe people overrate our defense."
frick no, no one is going to say that.
Person A is going to say, "Our defense is overrated." and then give some meaningless drivel for why they think so.
Anyone who interprets that as a "Fact," as you espouse, is taking the comment completely out of context.
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This is presented as an OPINION. You don't seem to understand, and I realize now you're not intelligent enough to understand. Your statement is inherently FALSE, presented as FACT, and proven to be FALSE.
Keep wallowing in your pool of ignorance.
It's sad that you have to pump yourself up by ripping on my intelligence... it really is.
I'm sorry, it's not my fault that you don't understand the context and tone of message boards and interpret everything as literal fricking facts.
Honestly, a person like you (as you are currently presenting yourself) is prone to believe EVERYTHING they read.
Do you have no critical thinking skills?
Do you not possess the capability of recognizing a communal context?
If you picked up the Bible and read that the Earth was created in 7 days, that must be a "FACT" right?
It's presented as fact, so it's either a fact or a lie right?
Or what if there's additional information necessary to understand for the reader to properly interpret the literature?
You are being very short sighted.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 2:09 am to jdrumdog
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I'm also not a student. You assume I am, but again you assume incorrectly.
Right, just as you incorrectly assumed an opinion was a fact because you failed to understand the context of a message board.
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I have enough initials on my degrees that I believe I can have intelligent reasoning, however. You're welcome to debase me however you deem necessary. It does not change that, by every factual account, your statement is still false.
Sorry for ever challenging your completely correct opinion.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 2:11 am to RogerTheShrubber
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LSU has some serious issues that the staff isn't dealing with.
What were the issues in 2009?
-Lack of pass rush (has been tremendously better)
-Porous O-Line play (sans Auburn, much better)
-Porous running game (much improved)
-Average QB play (we've gotten worse)
I'm sure I'm missing things, but what are they? (I don't mean that sarcastically).
Posted on 10/29/10 at 2:11 am to Methuselah
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Why only count the "bad" years when judging a coach?
Because it's about to be 3 bad years in a row?
If you get praise for putting together 3 good years in a row, you sure as shite should get criticized when you go the opposite direction for the next 3.
This post was edited on 10/29/10 at 2:13 am
Posted on 10/29/10 at 2:16 am to OBUDan
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What were the issues in 2009?
Non productive offense, clock issues. It's a pattern. You can claim there isn't but you would be alone in your assumption.
The offense is non productive and confused. It is looking like it did last year. As LSU gets into the meat of the schedule it will worsen.
One thing you gotta realize about the "Miles situation" is he has caused some of this himself. His reaction after the Ole Miss game last year brought deserved criticism.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 2:18 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Non productive offense, clock issues. It's a pattern. You can claim there isn't but you would be alone in your assumption.
Did that pattern hold true in 2005, 2006, or 2007?
Why does something happening in 2009 matter more than something in 2006?
It's a small sample size is all I'm saying.
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One thing you gotta realize about the "Miles situation" is he has caused some of this himself. His reaction after the Ole Miss game last year brought deserved criticism.
Sure.
I'm not sure why you continue to levy that I think Miles is without blame though.
This post was edited on 10/29/10 at 2:19 am
Posted on 10/29/10 at 2:20 am to OBUDan
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Did that pattern hold true in 2005, 2006, or 2007?
Why does something happening in 2009 matter more than something in 2006?
You gotta be brighter than this. Do you want me to be condescending enough to actually post the answer?
Posted on 10/29/10 at 2:20 am to DrSteveBrule
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If you get praise for putting together 3 good years in a row, you sure as shite should get criticized when you go the opposite direction for the next 3.
I say wait till the season is over before we judge how good or bad it was.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 2:23 am to OBUDan
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I'm sure I'm missing things, but what are they? (I don't mean that sarcastically).
You skipped over coaching problems:
-Horrible playcalling
-Completely unorganized
-Lack of adjustments during the game
-Vanilla gameplan that doesn't seem to change based on the opponent
Hard to say if they are better or worse in 2010, all of them still suck arse overall, add in a 2 quarterback scripted rotation (who the frick does this except for us?)
Posted on 10/29/10 at 2:24 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You gotta be brighter than this. Do you want me to be condescending enough to actually post the answer?
No because your answer is going to be, "We have many of the same players from 2009 so it must be the same."
But that's poor reasoning.
For instance:
The 2009 Yankees are about as near to the 2010 Yankees as the 2009 Tigers are to the 2010 Tigers (same coaches, one or two different starters/contributors).
The 2009 Yankees won it all.
The 2010 Yankees didn't make the World Series.
Weren't the patterns from the 2009 season there to suggest that they should win the 2010 suggest season? Did we see the same things from the team last year as this year?
Posted on 10/29/10 at 2:27 am to OBUDan
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Right, just as you incorrectly assumed an opinion was a fact because you failed to understand the context of a message board.
Incorrect. Again, by all factually based arguments contained in this thread, you have been proven false time and again. You cannot argue this with facts, you can only provide opinions.....such as the above statement. You try to qualify such ramblings by stating that a "message board" provides a "opinion based context". Does this further mean that no facts can be derived from a message board? You cannot have it both ways Dan. There are some facts presented on message boards, and then there are opinions. You presented your statement as an absolute, there is no denying this, the English language has proved you wrong time and again. While I apologize that you can't qualify your statements, I do not assume that what people say on this message board are always opinions or facts. I take them as presented. You presented it as such. While you may believe, in your opinion, it's a misinterpretation, by the definition and the context of the words you chose, you presented your opinion as a factual statement.
Presenting opinion as a fact discredits the statement entirely. I told you I would prove your statement wrong, and I have, repeatedly. Again, you're welcome to get as upset or angry as you want.
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Sorry for ever challenging your completely correct opinion
Again, you are incorrect. You believe in misinterpretation, which is your opinion on the facts presented herein. I apologize, but you lack the intelligence needed to grasp the concept of absolute truths and the lack of discipline you have in presenting your argument against it.
You are factually incorrect.
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