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re: MBB team last year
Posted on 12/24/24 at 8:53 pm to jamarr
Posted on 12/24/24 at 8:53 pm to jamarr
Sorry about that but you asked me about an argument I didn’t make and asked me if I attended practices. What I said was the guy who was questioning the Chest situation had valid questions being that we’ve seen what he was asking about with other players.
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Posted on 12/24/24 at 10:03 pm to Madking
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What I said was the guy who was questioning the Chest situation had valid questions being that we’ve seen what he was asking about with other players
what about the "chest situation" is questionable? is the theory here that he should have played last year? based on what evidence? I explained already why it could have been perfectly sensible for him to redshirt. and i also asked if anyone had any access or info not available to normal fans. nobody did. so its unclear what the issue is other than some unsupported theory from a fan with no claimed knowledge who is unwilling to even claim they are an astute hoop analyst by fan standards.
I am not claiming MM is infallible. I am not even claiming chest should not have played last year. I am asking for even the tiniest shred of evidence that MM made a bad call in redshirting him.
This post was edited on 12/24/24 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 12/24/24 at 10:17 pm to jamarr
See, that statement has a lot of conflicting logic. You are dismissing the question about Chest after claiming you haven’t. You also claim you haven’t been given any evidence at all that he could’ve produced last year then you give a story to the contrary that actually has no evidence. The fact that he’s been so productive in an area we badly needed last season is evidence and even though he may not have been as productive, even at a much lesser rate he’d still be easily the best rebounder on that team. He’s the exact same size he’s been since HS and his rebounding rate is close to double our best player from that team. (20.5% to 12.3%)
This post was edited on 12/24/24 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 12/24/24 at 10:47 pm to Madking
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See, that statement has a lot of conflicting logic. You are dismissing the question about Chest after claiming you haven’t. You also claim you haven’t been given any evidence at all that he could’ve produced last year then you give a story to the contrary that actually has no evidence. The fact that he’s been so productive in an area we badly needed last season is evidence and even though he may not have been as productive, even at a much lesser rate he’d still be easily the best rebounder on that team.
I see.
can you clarify your claim? is it that coach should not have redshirted him?
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He’s the exact same size he’s been since HS and his rebounding rate is close to double our best player from that team. (20.5% to 12.3%)
this is not correct, he was listed at 180 in high school and now is listed at 220.
LINK
seems like you are just making shite up.
I went to the preseason practice. Corey chest cannot shoot. he is terrible. during that practice he was working on his shot. he missed over and over. he slowed down, concentrated, and missed. I suspect he redshirted partially to work on his shot. apparently he has put on a large amount of muscle. he is far bigger than he was when I first saw him last year.
I told you before what the deal is. coach and Corey both know he has to shoot to make the NBA. they both know he needs years and thousands of shots in the gym to get there. they needed time. the redhsirt made perfect sense and all other claims to contrary are baseless claims made by people who don't know shite, and wont even claim to know shite when asked.
This post was edited on 12/24/24 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:00 pm to jamarr
LINK
He’s not listed at 220 right now either. Again you’re doing a lot of what you accuse others of doing which seems to be a pattern. He still can’t shoot so that is irrelevant. And that isn’t what you said, you said it was a possible theory, now you’re saying you were involved in coach Mac and Chests discussions. And for the 3rd time I haven’t made any claim I only provided evidence of why the other posters question was valid.
“the redhsirt made perfect sense and all other claims to contrary are baseless claims made by people who don't know shite, and wont even claim to know shite when asked.”
Ah, so the facade drops and what I originally suspected turns out to be 100% accurate.
He’s not listed at 220 right now either. Again you’re doing a lot of what you accuse others of doing which seems to be a pattern. He still can’t shoot so that is irrelevant. And that isn’t what you said, you said it was a possible theory, now you’re saying you were involved in coach Mac and Chests discussions. And for the 3rd time I haven’t made any claim I only provided evidence of why the other posters question was valid.
“the redhsirt made perfect sense and all other claims to contrary are baseless claims made by people who don't know shite, and wont even claim to know shite when asked.”
Ah, so the facade drops and what I originally suspected turns out to be 100% accurate.
This post was edited on 12/24/24 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:14 pm to Madking
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He’s not listed at 220 right now either
yes he is LINK
please try to use original sources. it says clear as day 220.
I think I understand why you are making some many errors. poor research.
your link was to his ESPN recruiting page. you are proving yourself wrong by posing links to when he was younger and lighter while also claiming he is the same size as he was in high school. you are literally posting the evidence to contradict your own point.
he redshirted to work on his skills and get stronger and better. its fine. its working out well.
you guys just love to invent things to critique so you can imagine yourself es to know more than the coach. not this time, podnah.
This post was edited on 12/24/24 at 11:20 pm
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:25 pm to jamarr
You just debunked your own statement without realizing it. This is what happens when you’re disingenuous, your statements start to contradict more and more frequently. You’ll find him listed at 210lbs on a bunch of other sites… LINK but I’m sure that’ll be dismissed as well since anytime you’re presented with evidence you just dismiss or ignore it out of hand. It’s fine, you’re not really looking to discuss this which is what I said from the start. Just wish you wouldn’t have wasted my time with this charade.
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:41 pm to Madking
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You’ll find him listed at 210lbs on a bunch of other sites
do you think those guys came to campus and weighed him? they get that shite from LSU, from last year when he was 210. he was 180 as a recruit in HS.
link when he was 210 last year LINK
link when he is 220 now
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link when 180 in HS
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repeat, your claim that he is the same size as high school is provably and proven false. merry christmas, you played yourself
Posted on 12/24/24 at 11:50 pm to jamarr
So recruiting service weights are correct but only when you use them. Jeez you’re bad at this.
Posted on 12/25/24 at 12:00 am to Madking
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So recruiting service weights are correct but only when you use them
pay attention, recruiting services are from when he was a recruit in HS.
his official weight now is not from his elementary school records, or his maternity ward listing. I know those may be different, don't be confused. the concept to understand is he gets bigger over time. he is 220 now. the redshirt season was time for him to bulk up, work on shooting, ball-handling, etc.
merry christmas. I gave you the gift of humility.
Posted on 12/25/24 at 12:04 am to jamarr
It’s very simple,
-Chest is a better rebounder than anyone on last years roster.
-We badly needed a rebounder on that team.
- We missed the Dance by a couple of games
The question was should he have played Chest last season. The answer to any LSU fan is of course that’s a valid question. You’re a McMahon fan not an LSU fan so your answer is no it’s not and if you think it is you’re a hater.
-Chest is a better rebounder than anyone on last years roster.
-We badly needed a rebounder on that team.
- We missed the Dance by a couple of games
The question was should he have played Chest last season. The answer to any LSU fan is of course that’s a valid question. You’re a McMahon fan not an LSU fan so your answer is no it’s not and if you think it is you’re a hater.
This post was edited on 12/25/24 at 12:49 am
Posted on 12/25/24 at 7:28 am to mmcgrath
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Overall this might be solved if the NCAA adds the football redshirt rule to other sports. In basketball it would let a player play in up to 10 games without using a year of eligibility if they have a redshirt. It would give us a chance to see a bit of a freshman who is redshirting.
There was nice article about Chest in the Advocate yesterday. He actually gave some context to what we've been discussing - and I was surprised to the extent that I always understood it was the plan from jump to redshirt him but quotes from Chest in the article seem to indicate that it was not as cut and dried.
Nevertheless, he gets the redshirt and we can't go back in time to re-live to see if it was the right decision or not - but if we can get an extra year from him I can only see that part as a positive.
This post was edited on 12/25/24 at 7:56 am
Posted on 12/25/24 at 7:39 am to Mats86
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My first impression of chest this season was that he was incomplete on the offensive end and a little prone to turnovers. Clearly McMahon was too reluctant to put him out there, but also, I understand it.
Yes, I agree Mats - Chest is still a bit raw offensively and I'm sure he was as raw or maybe more offensively last year. But my take is based of the pure energy, motor and toughness he brings and I think that's just who he is - you don't coach that you either have that are you don't, and he absolutely could have brought that last year.
I wonder seeing him now and looking back and recalling how soft and passive we were in the post last year if the coaches now look back and wonder themselves if they had reconsidered? Maybe not, but if I ever get the opportunity I may ask CMM that.
Posted on 12/25/24 at 12:28 pm to Madking
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You’re a McMahon fan not an LSU fan so your answer is no it’s not and if you think it is you’re a hater
nobody said that. I asked if you have any extra info that would change my view that chest used the year for improvement while saving his eligibility.
he needed to work on his game. so he did. simple. any other theories are not supported by any real evidence.
in future consider using quotes and addressing what other said directly instead of making things up. feliz navidad
Posted on 12/25/24 at 12:56 pm to jamarr
BS
Posted on 12/25/24 at 4:19 pm to Madking
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BS
nope. truth.
the claim was also made that coach MM mismanaged the following players
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Cam
Hannibal
Ward
Phillips
Arguably Fountain
I think this is just made up nonsense as well.
I get it, we all liked wade. I like him more than anyone does. I drive to mcneese games in a mcneese hoodie only to support him. I repeat wade quotes all the time. I tell my friends how he hired a guy to help with schedule analytics, how he read studies of soft tissue injuries the premier league to apply it to keeping his team healthy. I like how he decided to experiment on keeping players off their feet on the road before games and then went undefeated on the road in the SEC. I listened to every published will wade radio show ever made. will wade is my favorite coach of any sport, ever.
forget him. coach McMahon is doing fine, he has the program goin in the right direction. dont make up nonsense critiques.
MM was a disaster in his first year. fine. won half his SEC games in the second. good progress. has some good players now and is positioned to have a great chance to make the tournament.
don't invent things you have no idea about to be critical, in a stupid attempt to appear to be a sophisticated fan. give McMahon a chance.
This post was edited on 12/25/24 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 12/25/24 at 4:33 pm to jamarr
Don’t deflect, I didn’t quote you, I represented the argument you agreed to and your posts confirm that. And yes you did make all those arguments you claim you weren’t making. And yes, all those players were misused or evaluated poorly and the proof is in the play and production so again you’re dismissing legitimate discussions out of hand without proof or even a counter.
This post was edited on 12/25/24 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 12/25/24 at 4:36 pm to Madking
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Don’t deflect
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I didn’t quote you
yes, that's the problem I want you to use quotes instead restating my points in the manner of a retarded straw man homosexual. use the quotes.
don't worry I don't want to deflect. what very stupid gay point would you like me directly address? say whatever as clearly and distinctly as possible. and I will tell why its stupid. off you go..
This post was edited on 12/25/24 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 12/25/24 at 4:37 pm to jamarr
You just proved my point again
Posted on 12/25/24 at 4:47 pm to Madking
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Your first statement is untrue.
which statement? use quotes! address the actual claim directly with evidence.
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Your second statement is an attempt to conflate 2 different topics. Again totally disingenuous
I am sorry friend I am not gonna reply anymore until you use quotes, call specific claims false, and support your point with some sort of logic.
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