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Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:42 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee, the freaking record is what it is cause LSU football has done what they had to do to become 9-1.
You're pleased just because LSU is 9-1; I'm pleased that they're 9-1 too. I'm not pleased with the way it has gone down. Some of those wins should not have been so difficult to come by, and if not for Tennessee committing a penalty, we lose that game.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 2:43 pm to RobbBobb
quote:really?
who knows, really?
Lee had a mediocre game: UT
Lee had a good game: UF
Lee had shitty games: All others.
JJ had a good game: Bama
JJ had mediocre games: AU and MSU
JJ had shitty games: All others.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 2:45 pm to ForeLSU
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in reality the staff has probably done a good job this year with the offense it has
Wow.
I'm speechless.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 2:54 pm to Roaad
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I'm speechless.
the offense is a mess and the qb's are sub-par, but they've managed around that pretty well thanks to a great defense and special teams. they still must be held accountable for the mess though, since they created it. not that hard to understand...
Posted on 11/14/10 at 3:01 pm to fishngrits
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Some of those wins should not have been so difficult to come by
Perhaps, but "come by" they were and in the grand scheme of college football...nothing else matters.
We should all be giving it up for this team rather then belittling the results of their efforts by telling them they didn't win pretty enough or that their wins were too hard for them to "come by."
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if not for Tennessee
"if"...there is no "if" in college foodball. There is only did you win or didn't you win and LSU did.
Normally, "if" is used by those who lose and not by those who win, but some here seem to have a real want to "if" away wins and to this point, a damn fine football season.
Go figure, huh..........
Posted on 11/14/10 at 3:02 pm to Roaad
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really?
Since you went all in on JJ, your attempts to defend him are getting stoopid
JJ
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North Carolina 15-21-1 71.4 151 2 51 1-21 153.73
Vanderbilt 8-20-1 40.0 96 0 24 1-6 70.32
Mississippi State 10-16-0 62.5 97 0 21 1-2 113.43
West Virginia 10-22-2 45.5 75 0 20 2-8 55.91
Tennessee 3-10-2 30.0 30 0 17 0-0 15.20
Florida 7-12-1 58.3 100 0 29 1-8 111.67
McNeese St. 5-8-0 62.5 28 0 15 2-17 91.90
Auburn 7-14-1 50.0 46 0 12 2-15 63.31
Alabama 10-13-0 76.9 141 1 75 0-0 193.42
Lee
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Tennessee 16-23-1 69.6 185 0 47 2-17 128.43
Florida 9-11-0 81.8 124 2 38 0-0 236.51
McNeese St. 9-14-0 64.3 75 0 18 1-7 109.29
Auburn 8-14-0 57.1 43 0 9 1-10 82.94
Alabama 4-7-0 57.1 67 0 47 1-12 137.54
129.3 is below average in the SEC, currently
JJ - above avg games
NC, Bama
JJ - below avg games
Moo St, UF
JJ - crapfests
Vandy, WVa, Tenn, McNeese, Aub, ULM
Lee - above avg
UF, Bama
Lee - below avg
Tenn, McNeese
Lee - crapfests
Aub, ULM
Posted on 11/14/10 at 3:06 pm to RobbBobb
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Lee - crapfests
Aub, ULM
His stats would have looked a little better if the two TD's he threw had not been muffed by our 2 5* WR's.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 3:11 pm to ForeLSU
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the offense is a mess and the qb's are sub-par, but they've managed around that pretty well thanks to a great defense and special teams. they still must be held accountable for the mess though, since they created it. not that hard to understand...
Not that hard to understand? How about impossible to understand? How can the coaches be responsible for the mess in the first place, and then somehow have done "pretty well" managing their way around the cards they were dealt at the same time?
It's like you're trying to make some kind of weird hair-splitting argument just for the sake of being difficult.
The writing is on the wall: Given the players LSU has (and, yes, that includes the QBs), we should not have the 3rd worst passing game in the SEC (ahead of only Vanderbilt & Miss. State).
Posted on 11/14/10 at 3:13 pm to lsunatchamp
so frustrating 
Posted on 11/14/10 at 3:15 pm to Doc Fenton
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Not that hard to understand? How about impossible to understand? How can the coaches be responsible for the mess in the first place, and then somehow have done "pretty well" managing their way around the cards they were dealt at the same time?
No, it is easy to understand. The offensive coaches have been pretty shitty. The other coaches, including the head coach, have done a great job.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 3:18 pm to ZTiger87
Yeah, except that's not what he's saying.
He's actually trying to make the argument that Crowton and the offensive staff have done a good job because the defense and special teams play have been so great that "strategic mediocrity" on offense is actually a sign of wisdom.
He's actually trying to make the argument that Crowton and the offensive staff have done a good job because the defense and special teams play have been so great that "strategic mediocrity" on offense is actually a sign of wisdom.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 3:19 pm to Doc Fenton
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How can the coaches be responsible for the mess in the first place, and then somehow have done "pretty well" managing their way around the cards they were dealt at the same time?
largely because they've taken much of the risk out of the offense, the first job of the coach is to win games...if you realize you have no offense, then you must manage in order to limit game-costing mistakes. it may be ugly to watch and be statistically horrible, it it can still be the right strategy, given that winning games is the goal.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 3:20 pm to Roaad
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JJ had a good game: Bama
JJ had mediocre games: AU and MSU
JJ had shitty games: All others.
How was his UNC game shitty? It was his 2nd best game. UF was probably his 3rd best game, but Lee was great that game so people overlook JJ.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 3:22 pm to Doc Fenton
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"strategic mediocrity" on offense is actually a sign of wisdom.
exactly...it's called managing around your weaknesses. there is no magic pill that will fix this offense, the only solution is to dump Crowton (and others?) at the end of the year.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 3:23 pm to ForeLSU
That's not what they're doing. That explains why they're starting JJ. It doesn't explain why they suck.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 3:25 pm to ForeLSU
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the only solution is to dump Crowton (and others?) at the end of the year.
What in the world are you trying to say? Is the offensive coaching staff good or bad? Is Gary Crowton good or bad?
The argument that Gary Crowton is actually a good coach, considering that he has to manage the offense around the fact that Gary Crowton is the OC, makes no sense whatsoever.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 3:29 pm to Doc Fenton
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It doesn't explain why they suck.
there are many reasons why they suck...most having to do with Crowton. But the team has to live with these during the season. So you can either start tinkering in order to try something else that might work, or you can do whatever you have to do to win games. If you have a solid defense then you dial back the offense to limit mistakes. When you do this it becomes predictable and easy to defend.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 3:34 pm to Doc Fenton
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The argument that Gary Crowton is actually a good coach, considering that he has to manage the offense around the fact that Gary Crowton is the OC, makes no sense whatsoever.
I've never made the argument, in 4 years, that Crowton is a good coach...hence using the term "staff" in making this point. I've had employees do a great job managing a mess they created...it's not a difficult concept.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 3:35 pm to ForeLSU
Okay. But that's a defense of some decisions taken by Miles. Great. It just has nothing to do with the issue of this thread, which is whether or not it's fair to judge LSU's QBs as being responsible for the poor performance of the offense.
They may be below the average historical benchmark for LSU's usual talent level at the position, but it's not fair to judge them for being the reason the offense is underperforming. There is no way to judge them as being inferior to SEC competition based on watching them play under Crowton's dysfunctional circus. Another coach would likely have LSU's offense near the top of the conference even with them.
That's the whole point of the thread. Miles's strategy on how to deal with the problem once the season has already started has nothing to do with it.
They may be below the average historical benchmark for LSU's usual talent level at the position, but it's not fair to judge them for being the reason the offense is underperforming. There is no way to judge them as being inferior to SEC competition based on watching them play under Crowton's dysfunctional circus. Another coach would likely have LSU's offense near the top of the conference even with them.
That's the whole point of the thread. Miles's strategy on how to deal with the problem once the season has already started has nothing to do with it.
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