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re: LSU's QBs looked mediocre.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 11:23 am to Antonio Moss
Posted on 11/14/10 at 11:23 am to Antonio Moss
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It isn't fair to judge any offensive player on this team as long as Crowton is the offensive coordinator.
I still think that JL should start over JJ, but I agree with this 1000%
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Posted on 11/14/10 at 11:24 am to ForeLSU
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let's please get beyond this lie...
Fine.
At least, 85% of the offense we ran in 2007 was the offense from 2006. The other 15% was new wrinkles by Crowton.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 11:25 am to Roaad
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LSU's QBs looked mediocre.
understatement of the year!
Posted on 11/14/10 at 11:39 am to Antonio Moss
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At least, 85% of the offense we ran in 2007 was the offense from 2006. The other 15% was new wrinkles by Crowton.
I would put it more 65/35 Crowton...Crowton kept the power running game
Posted on 11/14/10 at 11:49 am to TheDoc
quote:Doubtful however as long as Lee and Jefferson are back there at QB I can not see the offense improving. We are in the third year of saying "The offense will get better as they get playing time" so I am to the point where only fresh blood could improve it.
You think he'd start over lee and Jefferson?
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:01 pm to ForeLSU
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At least, 85% of the offense we ran in 2007 was the offense from 2006. The other 15% was new wrinkles by Crowton.
I would put it more 65/35 Crowton...Crowton kept the power running game
Crowton did not install his beloved "option routes" until the next season. He mentioned it often in the spring because he thought that was going to make the O much better. He left the routes alone in '07 because our WR's, Flynn, and RP were knew them so well. Since his changes to the pass game it has never been very effective. The biggest change from Jimbo in '07 was in the blocking scheme. More power blocking and less zone. Miles and Searles did not get along.
It was closer to 85% than 35%. Suffice to say it was largely Jimbo's passing scheme. Most of Crowton's influence was in the Pistol and the gadgets.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:09 pm to pttigris
Unfortunately, the fact that Jimbo's passing scheme worked so well (when divorced from Jimbo's playcalling and his stupid God-awful running scheme) in combination with novelty "group substitution" packages that it actually made Crowton believe that his pistol formation was the real basis for the success.
D'oh!
D'oh!
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:16 pm to Doc Fenton
I don't recall seeing this thread after the QBs led us to a victory over bama. we are 9-1 and no one on this thread predicted a better record at this point in the season. you are the same guys that said (when we were 5-0) that we would never beat florida or bama with this offense. WE ARE 9-1 AND THAT'S A GREAT RECORD.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:22 pm to Larry Hollins
in reality the staff has probably done a good job this year with the offense it has...but must be held accountable for it continuing to be this bad for 3 years in a row. I will be seriously disillusioned if Crowton is back next year...
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:26 pm to ForeLSU
No. That's not reality. Sorry, but you're delusional.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:33 pm to Larry Hollins
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WE ARE 9-1 AND THAT'S A GREAT RECORD.
It could easily be much worse. We barely eeked out some victories against clearly inferior opposition. Tennessee comes to mind...
The goal is to win every game. No one should ever be "satisfied" with any less, and there's always room for improvement, regardless of your record.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:38 pm to Doc Fenton
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No. That's not reality. Sorry, but you're delusional.
both Lee and JJ have serious flaws on the mental side, Crowton's lack of development aside...thanks to a strong defense, limiting the offense has proven to be the right strategy, as ugly as it is to watch. However, the staff still must be held accountable for the state of the offense.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:46 pm to fishngrits
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It could easily be much worse. We barely eeked out some victories against clearly inferior opposition. Tennessee comes to mind...
GTFO Robert Smith.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:51 pm to ForeLSU
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both Lee and JJ have serious flaws on the mental side, Crowton's lack of development aside...thanks to a strong defense, limiting the offense has proven to be the right strategy, as ugly as it is to watch. However, the staff still must be held accountable for the state of the offense.
The QB's are not the major problem. Gary is. All you need to know about his QB evaluation is that he brought in Andrew Hatch to play in the SEC. He has not been able to use the different talents of our QB's in three years, despite having them for their whole careers. There are QB's playing every weekend who make the same mistakes, or worse, as ours do and they are getting better results. Neither JJ or JL are all stars but LSU's problem on O is largely coaching and scheme.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:53 pm to ZTiger87
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GTFO Robert Smith.
A Cure reference...pretty funny, but it doesn't make what I posted any less true.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 12:58 pm to pttigris
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The QB's are not the major problem. Gary is.
Gary is a big part of the reason that the QB's are a major problem...but they are a major problem. And please don't take my point as some defense of Crowton, I warned the Rant right after he was hired that this pattern would play out.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:15 pm to ForeLSU
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Gary is a big part of the reason that the QB's are a major problem...but they are a major problem.
With the exception of Cam Newton, and maybe Aaron Murray, any QB in the SEC would be a "major problem" in this offense. The offense itself is a major problem, particularly the passing game. Get rid of Gary and get somebody competent and our QB's will get more talented all of a sudden, just like they did a few times this year when we actually took advantage of the defense being used against us. Our offense is a grab bag with no rhyme or reason for the most part.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:17 pm to Doc Fenton
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Unfortunately, the fact that Jimbo's passing scheme worked so well (when divorced from Jimbo's playcalling and his stupid God-awful running scheme) in combination with novelty "group substitution" packages that it actually made Crowton believe that his pistol formation was the real basis for the success.
D'oh!
You put some thought into this shite. I'm on notice.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:18 pm to fishngrits
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WE ARE 9-1 AND THAT'S A GREAT RECORD.
It could easily be much worse
Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee, the freaking record is what it is cause LSU football has done what they had to do to become 9-1.
Get over the could be, should be, and might be BS.
How bout we just say: "Thanks team for giving me a 9-1 and 5th ranked BCS team!"
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No one should ever be "satisfied" with any less
It's fine to want to win them all. I have that want as well. The problem comes in when you are winning 90% of your games for a season and you have those who have no respect of the effort needed to do that and want to bitch and moan bout one component of a team when all the components of the team have the TEAM at would be the elite level of college football 10 games into the season....5th in the BCS.
Posted on 11/14/10 at 1:19 pm to Roaad
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LSU's QBs looked mediocre.
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